Can we talk about how mnk, drg, and blm are blatantly overpowered right now?

[Vendalwind]

Let me know when your statics start requiring you to change jobs or be kicked, then we'll talk about what a job in a bad spot means.

GOD the self centered closed perspective selfishness in this post is hard for me to stomach.

If you’re going to cry about how good you’ve got it, don’t actually do it to the players of the actual worst DPS in the game who’ve got no confirmation or hope of any sort of change

Say that again.

Talking to Zerathor again here on:
AND btw most NIN mains are ABSOLUTELY being kicked and asked to leave parties or change to monk in statics. Im a freaking 65th percentile+ NIN and my static that I RUN and have run in the past has members that have threatened to leave if I wouldn't switch to monk. When 90th percentile NIN performs worse than a 10th percentile MNK there are freaking problems.

AND FREAKING REGARDLESS YOU CANT LOOK FOR FREAKING REPARATIONS AND CONTINUE TO BE BUTTHURT FOR LIFE OR THE WORLD AND GAME WILL NEVER PROGRESS.

[Zerathor]

GOD the self centered closed perspective selfishness in this post is hard for me to stomach.



Say that again.

Talking to Zerathor again here on:
AND btw most NIN mains are ABSOLUTELY being kicked and asked to leave parties or change to monk in statics. Im a freaking 65th percentile+ NIN and my static that I RUN and have run in the past has members that have threatened to leave if I wouldn't switch to monk. When 90th percentile NIN performs worse than a 10th percentile MNK there are freaking problems.

AND FREAKING REGARDLESS YOU CANT LOOK FOR FREAKING REPARATIONS AND CONTINUE TO BE BUTTHURT FOR LIFE OR THE WORLD AND GAME WILL NEVER PROGRESS.

Ninja is in a bad spot, and I believe I've said that somewhere already. My primary concerns on what I've recently talked about regards casters. Ninja does actually need a buff where its at. Idk what direction they want to buff it if it's more personal damage, or better buff contributions, but it does need something.

[Kabooa]

GOD the self centered closed perspective selfishness in this post is hard for me to stomach.

And now you know where the rest of us sit when we read a thread like this.

Because everything we've offered in advice is what got told to us.

"Get a new static."
"Just get better. Bring the player, not the job."
"Play what you like."
"You can clear so it's fine."

[Vendalwind]

Because everything we've offered in advice is what got told to us.

"Get a new static."
"Just get better. Bring the player, not the job."
"Play what you like."
"You can clear so it's fine."

Stop proliferating. This is like having daddy issues then deciding to be a bully at school.

[Zerathor]

Stop proliferating. This is like having daddy issues then deciding to be a bully at school.

Projecting much?

[Kabooa]

Stop proliferating. This is like having daddy issues then deciding to be a bully at school.

It's valid advice, man.

You really don't want static members who harp on you for the job you play.
(Mine don't, and in return I take the needs of the static first when picking a job each tier)

65th is a bit above average, so you can do a lot better. (average of course depending on who you ask)
(Any encounter I do the same as previous I count as a failure on my part.)

if you like ninja, stay on it.
(I coincidentally tend to like a fair amount of jobs.)

Ninja was capable of clearing every wing week 1. Not every Ninja player is. Same with every other job.
(It's okay not to clear week 1 for any reason)

If you feel you aren't contributing enough to your team, and that bothers you, then change jobs. It not only broadens you as a player, it offers perspective into the challenges other jobs face, as well as doing wonders to dispelling any held notions regarding the job through word of mouth.
(Turns out Stormblood Machinist wasn't as bad as people made it out to be. It was actually a ton of fun)

[AikenDrum]

"ask for more balance between jobs on official forum" also sounds like a valid advice...

[Wayfinder3]

It's valid advice, man.

You really don't want static members who harp on you for the job you play.
(Mine don't, and in return I take the needs of the static first when picking a job each tier)

65th is a bit above average, so you can do a lot better. (average of course depending on who you ask)
(Any encounter I do the same as previous I count as a failure on my part.)

if you like ninja, stay on it.
(I coincidentally tend to like a fair amount of jobs.)

Ninja was capable of clearing every wing week 1. Not every Ninja player is. Same with every other job.
(It's okay not to clear week 1 for any reason)

If you feel you aren't contributing enough to your team, and that bothers you, then change jobs. It not only broadens you as a player, it offers perspective into the challenges other jobs face, as well as doing wonders to dispelling any held notions regarding the job through word of mouth.
(Turns out Stormblood Machinist wasn't as bad as people made it out to be. It was actually a ton of fun)

These points are all irrelevant, good job balance shouldn't be at the mercy of the players, especially when difficulty isn't even a factor and the hardest jobs don't require much more skill than the weaker ones. It's bad job balance and the best thing you both should do is look for ways to make reprimands instead trying to brush everyone off as being insensitive to the BLM position of yesterday. The future is now and the 2 of you circle jerking the like button of each others ludicrously misguided and unself aware prattle is only making the community less interested in the future of BLM when all the lower jobs want is to be better than where we currently are. BLM has twice as many RDM clears of titan when clearing content is RDMs entire purpose before being discarded for jobs of which BLM is one. MNK has 3 times as many clears of titan than NIN, DRG has 6 times as many. WHM and SCH have nearly 8k kills, AST has 8....hundred. How is any of this balanced, How can either of you defend any of this. 2 BLMs is currently looking to be better than any physical ranged, this is beyond stupid

[Kabooa]

These points are all irrelevant, good job balance shouldn't be at the mercy of the players, especially when difficulty isn't even a factor and the hardest jobs don't require much more skill than the weaker ones. It's bad job balance and the best thing you both should do is look for ways to make reprimands instead trying to brush everyone off as being insensitive to the BLM position of yesterday. The future is now and the 2 of you circle jerking the like button of each others ludicrously misguided and unself aware prattle is only making the community less interested in the future of BLM when all the lower jobs want is to be better than where we currently are. BLM has twice as many RDM clears of titan when clearing content is RDMs entire purpose before being discarded for jobs of which BLM is one. MNK has 3 times as many clears of titan than NIN, DRG has 6 times as many. WHM and SCH have nearly 8k kills, AST has 8....hundred. How is any of this balanced, How can either of you defend any of this. 2 BLMs is currently looking to be better than any physical ranged, this is beyond stupid

I don't hit like buttons.

How many times are we going to do this song and dance? Things aren't perfect, they can be better. I'm not inconsistent on this point. But they aren't as bad as people make them out to be.

It might be a little bit of hyperbole to say "everything is fine" but it's no less, perhaps even more damning, to spout "This is the worst state it's ever been in", either specific to job or overall.

[Wayfinder3]

I don't hit like buttons.

How many times are we going to do this song and dance? Things aren't perfect, they can be better. I'm not inconsistent on this point. But they aren't as bad as people make them out to be.

It might be a little bit of hyperbole to say "everything is fine" but it's no less, perhaps even more damning, to spout "This is the worst state it's ever been in", either specific to job or overall.

when Double WHM, and Double BLM are completely viable compositions while excluding 2 whole healers and an entire Role for 1 job, not ever the other 2 casters, then we have a problem and it's pretty bad. It's not the worst job balance in any mmo ever, but it's bad. This song and dance ends when you guys stop telling SMN, RDMs, BRDs, MCHs, and DNCs, that taking 2 BLMs over any of them is not that bad.(even if you've not said that in your own words.) Stop playing devils advocate and i can assure you, this all stops. MNK BLM and DRG are BLATANTLY overpowered in some of the worst ways and WHM is just as big of an offender. Tanks are the only role they got right this expac even if WARs and DRKs would like more, the 4 of them are so close that there isn't that much of a difference for it to be a huge priority