Not sure what is going on in the expert dungeons

[Lannybaby]

I usually dps, nowadays, but when I do tank, I have noticed healers letting me dip to uncomfortable health percentages, such as 10%. About half the time, I get healers who watch my hp like a hawk, while dpsing. When I get down to about half, they heal me back up, then continue dpsing. This style of healing, I don't mind. What I do mind is the other half of healers I do get; they let me dip to 10%, then heal me back up. While I usually have no problem with this, I often die because of a sudden problem on their end, or a random server lag spike. And when I do die, it's always the same excuse: "sorry, lag" or "I pressed the wrong button," to which I say "if you didn't let me drop so low, I would have had enough hp to survive that lag spike."

Then we get into an argument in which the healer berates me about lecturing them on how to do their job. I respond with something to the effect of: "did I use my defensive skills? Yes. Did I die? Yes. Did you have mp left? A lot? You don't say. So, did you do your job? No."

[Baylon]

Has anyone else been getting SCHs that demand apologies for people dying? I have been having a problem where the SCH flat out fails to keep people alive then demands the tank apologize for the pull yet WHM and AST never have a problem with people keeping people alive during the pull. I also find that when dealing with a SCH if I'm not hitting The Blackest Night every 15 seconds that I'm going to die even on trash pulls of only 5 mobs.

[Absimiliard]

Has anyone else been getting SCHs that demand apologies for people dying? I have been having a problem where the SCH flat out fails to keep people alive then demands the tank apologize for the pull yet WHM and AST never have a problem with people keeping people alive during the pull. I also find that when dealing with a SCH if I'm not hitting The Blackest Night every 15 seconds that I'm going to die even on trash pulls of only 5 mobs.

I haven't run into that, but I am pretty curious about how these DPS are dying. Unless their deaths are due to you not grabbing mobs, I fail to see how it's your fault.

[Baylon]

Well they die because I die because the SCH decided to not heal me. Its fun sitting at 1 HP for 10 seconds with only 1 or 2 outside heals!

[Zfz]

Same here. The tank deaths I observe in the daily expert roulette generally happen when the healer is letting the tank dip down to dangerously low health then healing the tank back to full. Healers that keep healing the tank consistently usually recover quickly when something bad happens (such as tank not using CDs or DPS just too bad and drawing out the fight).

When I heal, I prefer to heal as soon as I won't be doing overhealing. I try not to let the tank dip lower than that. Sometimes I'd delay a heal for 2-3 seconds for my lily to come up, or for an ability cooldown to finish, but that's about it. IMO consistency in healing is as important to the tank as consistency in damage taken is to the healer.

If healers are asking tanks to rotate cooldowns for a more consistent damage intake, then an effort should be made to achieve a more consistent incoming healing for the tanks.

I mean, it's not like healers have dps comboes that break when you heal, right? When the tank is missing enough health for you to not have overheal, healing it now is better than healing it later. Healers who let the tank dip lower just to squeeze in another dps spell cast, is the same thing as DPS who take damage from telegraphed AOEs just to squeeze in another dps spell/skill.

[Absimiliard]

Same here. The tank deaths I observe in the daily expert roulette generally happen when the healer is letting the tank dip down to dangerously low health then healing the tank back to full. Healers that keep healing the tank consistently usually recover quickly when something bad happens (such as tank not using CDs or DPS just too bad and drawing out the fight).

I have been running into an inordinate number of DPS lately that can't kill trash in a timely manner. More than a few times I've run dry on CDs and just had to hope the healer could keep me alive until something (normally TBN) comes back off cooldown. Did a whole bunch of people just buy skips and never bother learning how to use their job or something?

[AgitoKaguya]

I have been running into an inordinate number of DPS lately that can't kill trash in a timely manner. More than a few times I've run dry on CDs and just had to hope the healer could keep me alive until something (normally TBN) comes back off cooldown. Did a whole bunch of people just buy skips and never bother learning how to use their job or something?

Some DPS simply refuse to use AOE Skills. Quite a few times I have encountered this and everytime I told them that it's more efficient to use AOE skills when they are 3+ targets. In the end they are just ignoring me. The feels when there is like 6+ targets and the dragoon is just spamming Chaos Thrust/Full Thrust ...
It's like some ppl don't even know they have an aoe rotation and they just don't put the skill in their bars. Sad.

[Vulcann]

i'm tired of the Green DPS mentality on my tank

but i am also tired of wall to wall pulls when on my healer.

honestly at this point i have more fun playing with my trust than i do the rest of the playerbase. I really am hoping they expand the trust system so i can take them through any dungeon with me.

[NyneSwordz]

you sure it wasn't because you didn't interrupt the berserk from that mob in the twinning?

[RegularJoe]

Wow.. reading through some of the comments here and I'm kind of shocked. There's very little reason why any healer should be letting their tank dip that low, unless they like the Bene Spook.

I suppose I don't see it often because I'm SCH 90% of the time, but with all the tools at our disposal, even wall to wall pulls, it's very easy to keep a tank at 50% or higher. I don't really like WHM healing, so I can't really speak to that and my AST will probably stay at its lv 67 or so considering the ShB rework. But as a SCH, I feel downright god-like with keeping the party afloat. We have way too many heals on oGCDs now and Excog has been a thing since SB. Kind of surprised that so many are having bad times with being paired with SCH, especially with Crit Adlo on demand every 45 secs and SS having a Regen attached to it now.... it's not like we suffer from using our healing skills; only 2 have an MP cost/cast time.

There are some pulls where I have to pull out Seraph and/or exhaust my oGCDs, but most of the time that's from the tank either not managing their cooldowns or bitting more than what they can chew. Most of the tanks I've been paired with have been wonderful and know how to manage their cooldowns.

I'd admit that I am kind of tired of the wall-to-wall pull mentality, but at the same time, it keeps it interesting and actually forces me to use more of my healing kit. It's still run to the center of mobs and AoW spam, but the health bar is actually something I have to monitor in those situations instead of just AoW spam. I will say, however, my favourite pull is the last wall to wall in The Twinning, with the dancing in-between the donut AoE puddles. If I'm denied that, I get kind of disappointed, because it's what I look forward to, strangely enough.

It's kind of a weird effect to where if it's not a big pull, I'm not engaged, but at the same time I wish not every tank did it. Don't know how to explain it and not sure if that makes much sense :/ I wish there was a medium to it all. Single pulls are boring, but if it's not a big pull, there's no point to using even half of my kit.

My apologies, post got a bit longer that it should have, and I may have rambled on a bit...