Not sure what is going on in the expert dungeons

[Minnel]

What happened to healing in 5.0? I see so many healers letting their tanks die cause they wanted to dps. Worst part is that they wanted the large pulls to begin with. In one of the runs the healer managed to keep the Dps alive through 4-6 mobs once the I died but couldn't keep the tank alive to begin with?( I rotated all of my cds, including Hallowed Ground) Also are the scholars like the dps-choice-of-healer-to-level or something? 90% of the bad experiences I had were with scholars this expansion.
P.S: Y'all also need to not complaining when tanks don't want to do anymore big pulls after 1-2 wipes. I'm not about to do any more experimenting because y'all "made a mistake" the last 2 wipes...

[Kleeya]

That's hardly something new and specific to the 5.0 at all, it was like that in 4.x too. That's what you get when you put the "healer must dps" mentality so well into the players heads that they come to the point of not caring of their primary role anymore.

Before the aggro changes it was like that for numerous tanks i did stumble upon too. Not wanting to use the tank stance and the aggro combo because of the dps loss, and losing aggro even though i did use lucid dreaming and diversion correctly.

Maybe in 6.0 all healers will be changed into some sort of "you now heal and shield group members for a part of the damages you inflict on the ennemies" wow disc priest, so that they can fully concentrate on their dps rotation like the tanks we have now XD

[Adventica6]

Lvling my alt job pld to 80 I noticed all my bad experiences were with Sch and not Ast like I thought would be the case, Sch for some reason thinks their fairy can do everything for them which is not true anymore. If a healer is letting you die so they can dps more there is this cool option called vote kick.

I just don't think Ast can afford to dps right now which is why I haven't had much issues with them compared to Sch. And looking at healer dps, Sch isn't that amazing at dps to begin with (white parses).

[Tint]

I had always the worst experiences with SCH since 2.0 >.>

First as bad co healers (I mained WHM back then) who don't know how to shield and then let the tank die when they try to heal the party with their aoe shield, while I was actually aoe healing...

...and then when I was playing tank. I guess WHM and AST can just easier power through big pulls and all, SCH is a bit more complicated and people fail just more often with that.


I think the general problem is that things seem to hit harder, heals are weaker in comparsion and tanks have lost defense and selfheal options. The healers are not used to this and play like in 4.x, where I could carry even the worst healer through big pulls with DA Abyssal Drain and TBN.

[eagledorf]

I think Scholar has just changed in a jarring way. You have no crowd control (Shadowflare) now, you can't force the fairy to focus Embrace on the tank because it can't be bound to the hotbar anymore, you can't spread DoTs while Adlo and Excognition are up and then heal, Rouse is gone, etc. Sacred Soil has regen now and a lot of potencies were increased so the job is plenty powerful, but so much change.

[Uliq]

I think Scholar has just changed in a jarring way. You have no crowd control (Shadowflare) now, you can't force the fairy to focus Embrace on the tank because it can't be bound to the hotbar anymore, you can't spread DoTs while Adlo and Excognition are up and then heal, Rouse is gone, etc. Sacred Soil has regen now and a lot of potencies were increased so the job is plenty powerful, but so much change.

Actually the problem with sch healing now is it's not strong enough to power through big pulls without weaving at all. It's potencies are low due to shielding and that hurts them. EoS used to 45% a scholars output but now it doesn't. That powerful healz is a myth when you look at the potencies it actually does have. A good scholar has to weave emergency tactics into every second adlo to just keep up with large amounts of dmg. AST and WHM just need to keep a regen or two on you. Excog should only be used in situations where you'd use bene for tank saving due to lustrate being such a bad and useless heal now and sacred soil should always be on CD. The problem is SCH is such a focused healer you can't really offord to dps at all in most instances of dungeons, but in raids you effectively lose that focus all together.

[Taika]

Actually the problem with sch healing now is it's not strong enough to power through big pulls without weaving at all. It's potencies are low due to shielding and that hurts them. EoS used to 45% a scholars output but now it doesn't. That powerful healz is a myth when you look at the potencies it actually does have. A good scholar has to weave emergency tactics into every second adlo to just keep up with large amounts of dmg. AST and WHM just need to keep a regen or two on you. Excog should only be used in situations where you'd use bene for tank saving due to lustrate being such a bad and useless heal now and sacred soil should always be on CD. The problem is SCH is such a focused healer you can't really offord to dps at all in most instances of dungeons, but in raids you effectively lose that focus all together.

I'm sorry but this is pure nonsense. For anyone who wants to understand how Scholar works in Shadowbringers dungeons, check out Momo's video guide: https://youtu.be/wE1Ay8mmVB8

[Uliq]

I'm sorry but this is pure nonsense. For anyone who wants to understand how Scholar works in Shadowbringers dungeons, check out Momo's video guide: https://youtu.be/wE1Ay8mmVB8

thank you, vm appreciated

[Connor]

But Scholar is the DpS HeAlER

I have experienced this with Scholars, especially cohealing with one in Eden (god I hate double Scholar lol).

I think the main issue is that people somehow still haven’t adjusted to the job changes. You can’t just throw out a single Indomitability to top the party off, nor can you just leave it all to the fairy. That’s not to say you can’t spend the majority of your time dealing damage, but at least be smart about how you use your healing abilities if you want to create DPS openings. Throwing out a reactive Indomitability isn’t simply isn’t going to cover aoe healing anymore, not without supplementary healing from Fey Blessing / Succor / Sacred Soil / etc. The same applies to single targets, if you think you can just throw Excogitation the tank once every 45 seconds and have the fairy do the rest, you’re probably going to have issues keeping the target alive than if you were using abilities with some strategy in mind (precast Adloquium/Recitation, Reactive Lustrate to supplement Excogitation, Fey Union for Regen, Sacred Soil if you want to dump Aetherflow and reduce damage, etc.)
That’s not to say you can’t just use like, a single oGCD and leave the rest to the cohealer. But that’s kinda rude and just gives them less time to DPS themselves which doesn’t really help.

I want to say that I’ve seen quite a lot of White Mages who do literally nothing but Glare, but it’s harder to judge because Afflatus are all instant cast. I’ve also noticed a lot of White Mages running close-to-full uptime on Medica II with no incoming damage to the party. I want to say in that my experience Astrologian’s tend to have the best heal to DPS ratio lol, though for what reason I couldn’t say other than Astrologian having weaker oGCDs (and thus have less to spend on Malefic IV because of GCD necessity)

As an aside, I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if the 5.05 changes revert Scholar back to a state where Excogitation and Indomitability are powerful enough to pretty much handle all healing that can’t be handled by the fairy. I really hope that doesn’t happen because I love having to make good use of both healing spells and aetherflow in combination to create more efficient, powerful healing that if the spells are used by themselves. Scholar would be extremely boring if you could just blast off a single heal to top the party off then go back to spamming Broil III, DPS rotation or not