Warrior and Dark Knight's Predicament

[Sancho_Nyanta]

It is actually a rather simple comparison of quality vs quantity. In Gbn's case both Aurora and Hos are both really only good against fluff damage. In Pld's case you have more than any other tank but with Clemency, you ideally should never use it. Similarly, with PoA you will only use this once, maybe twice a fight when the entire group stacks up for some reason.

[Jandor]

Again, cryptic gibberish aside, you can't really compare apples and oranges.

%DR and shields are apples and oranges now?

[Marc-Vigar]

TBN cost nothing when it breaks.

It can be used more often.

It always grants its maximum value.

Aurora is garbage. It only excels in making dungeon pulls extremely easy to manage via constant global threat. As a healing tool it is -terrible-.

It does cost, you can't use it at 0 mana so it requires good management and it will lose it's value if you don't use it at the perfect time.

[Deceptus]

If we place all four tanks side by side, we can see there's quite the disparity between them. According to fflogs, in terms of dps it usually goes GNB > PLD > DRK/WAR. Now for party utility, it goes PLD > GNB > DRK/WAR. Dark Knight and Warrior get outdone by Paladin and Gunbreaker in every way. They have the least dps and the least utility. DRK and WAR's dps does not justify their lack of utility. The two need a reasonable buff, be it potency or whatever helps them make up for what they lack.

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[Arale]

GNB has aurora, heart of stone and heart of light, while DRK only has The Blackest Night(3k MP) and Dark Missionary. It's three to two, and TBN costs resources.

TBK can be cast on other tanks, and doesn't cost resources if you use it wisely. GNB is a squishy tank compared to DRK in my opinion but side by side, DRK can make up for that by casting TBK on the GNB and giving it the protection it needs. People have already done the math for this. TBK dumpsters Heart of Stone outright. Add in Rampart and it's even worse.

I can't speak on Warrior though.

[Kabooa]

It does cost, you can't use it at 0 mana so it requires good management and it will lose it's value if you don't use it at the perfect time.

If you don't use it at an appropriate time.

Perfect makes it sound like it's hard to break.

(It's not)

[Lyth]

%DR and shields are apples and oranges now?

Self-heals and mitigation certainly are. Try eating a proper raid level tankbuster raw with self-heals if you're new to this concept.

[kazzel120]

Yea TBN is far stronger, but it costs a good amount of mana, while Heart of Stone is free and may even grant Brutal Shell to a party member. Throw in Aurora as well and more than makes up for it.

Oh wow that 4k shield from brutal is so much better then 30k+ hp shield. Also aurora isnt that great lol.

[kazzel120]

It does cost, you can't use it at 0 mana so it requires good management and it will lose it's value if you don't use it at the perfect time.

And in any actual fight that it matters ex and savage you manage your resources and dont just use it because hey its ready and i have mp. Proper management and knowing the fight tbn is hands down the single best buff no contest.

[Marc-Vigar]

And in any actual fight that it matters ex and savage you manage your resources and dont just use it because hey its ready and i have mp. Proper management and knowing the fight tbn is hands down the single best buff no contest.

I never said it's better or worse than the others, it's unique like PLD's Sheltron, but it's definitely not free and has a high risk if you are not familiar with the encounter, also by the time you reach that point of knowledge about the fight you can play any other tank and be fine.