Dots and SkS/SpS

[mosaicex]

its because you're slower than I am so you're able to just flow through your rotation.
HOW ARE YOU ABLE TO PLAY THAT SLOW SAM, its painful XD

Well, that's kinda my point. You can do just fine with 28 GCDs rotation, you can do just fine with 30 GCDs rotation.
In fact, I'm sure the 30 GCDs rotation is the reason why 5.05 Hagakure is so weak, because otherwise it'd just be outright better than 28 GCDs one due to extra GCDs and even more Kenki.

It's a matter of taste at this point. I chose to go with 28 because it's easier to gear up for me.

[xxvaynxx]

Well, that's kinda my point. You can do just fine with 28 GCDs rotation, you can do just fine with 30 GCDs rotation.
In fact, I'm sure the 30 GCDs rotation is the reason why 5.05 Hagakure is so weak, because otherwise it'd just be outright better than 28 GCDs one due to extra GCDs and even more Kenki.

It's a matter of taste at this point. I chose to go with 28 because it's easier to gear up for me.

You you proven me wrong in that case. Though I think being faster is still stronger than being slower imo.
Comparing our logs I did more dps than you and I don't have my 475 wep yet, though I did clear it about 10secs faster.

[xxvaynxx]

Well, that's kinda my point. You can do just fine with 28 GCDs rotation, you can do just fine with 30 GCDs rotation.
In fact, I'm sure the 30 GCDs rotation is the reason why 5.05 Hagakure is so weak, because otherwise it'd just be outright better than 28 GCDs one due to extra GCDs and even more Kenki.

It's a matter of taste at this point. I chose to go with 28 because it's easier to gear up for me.

Yeah you proven me wrong in that case. Though I think being faster is still stronger than being slower imo.
Comparing our logs I did more dps than you and I don't have my 475 wep yet, though not by much.
Its most likely me DH'ing more and stuff, you got a orange so at that point its mostly just lucky crts and DH.

[mosaicex]

Yeah you proven me wrong in that case. Though I think being faster is still stronger than being slower imo.
Comparing our logs I did more dps than you and I don't have my 475 wep yet, though not by much.

Yet your Midare were about 9% stronger than mine on average (apparently I also accidentally Tenka'd once, that one was solely on me).

I'm not saying skill speed built is weaker by any mean (raw potency-wise skill speed build is just better due to extra gcds and 25 extra kenki per cycle), but I think in this case you managed to edge out on me due to variance from crit, not skill speed (and like you said, your fight also ended 10 secs faster).

[xxvaynxx]

Yet your Midare were about 9% stronger than mine on average (apparently I also accidentally Tenka'd once, that one was solely on me).

I'm not saying skill speed built is weaker by any mean (raw potency-wise skill speed build is just better due to extra gcds and 25 extra kenki per cycle), but I think in this case you managed to edge out on me due to variance from crit, not skill speed (and like you said, your fight also ended 10 secs faster).

Yeah just lucky crts. Think if you get orange, at that point its just how fast you clear and crts/dh.
((didn't mean to offend if I did, didn't want to sound as if I was better skill wise.))

Also with the tenka, I do that too sometimes LOL. I sometimes think I already have 3 sen so I just use it without paying attention. Glad I'm not the only one XD

[mosaicex]

Yeah just lucky crts. Think if you get orange, at that point its just how fast you clear and crts/dh.
((didn't mean to offend if I did, didn't want to sound as if I was better skill wise.))

Also with the tenka, I do that too sometimes LOL. I sometimes think I already have 3 sen so I just use it without paying attention. Glad I'm not the only one XD

Just curious, what's your build? I notice your crit rate is pretty high and your dh rate isn't bad either. But judging from our discussion I assume you're also using 30 gcds skill speed build (~2400 ss).
Minimal det?

[xxvaynxx]

Just curious, what's your build? I notice your crit rate is pretty high and your dh rate isn't bad either. But judging from our discussion I assume you're also using 30 gcds skill speed build (~2400 ss).
Minimal det?

Yeah minimal det. I have a lot of DH because I have a crafted ring and crafted top piece. My other gear are just filler from eden until I get BiS sks

[Shurrikhan]

Yet your Midare were about 9% stronger than mine on average (apparently I also accidentally Tenka'd once, that one was solely on me).

I'm not saying skill speed built is weaker by any mean (raw potency-wise skill speed build is just better due to extra gcds and 25 extra kenki per cycle), but I think in this case you managed to edge out on me due to variance from crit, not skill speed (and like you said, your fight also ended 10 secs faster).

I really hope SkS builds stand near enough an even chance on both MNK and SAM this expansion. Though I'd still need to see if I can get a SkS MNK build and SkS SAM build within a food's SkS of each other, which would probably be damn near impossible...