Dots and SkS/SpS

[Vendalwind]

I shoudl leave the thinking to you. Seem like you need to re do your math or maybe run the lv 80 dungeon with 914 sks and doing salvage.

Thats not how adults argue dude. You want to make a claim you prove it. you dont get to make a claim and then leave the work of proving it to your opponent/ That literally is how most idiotic discussions in this world begin.

If you make a claim, prove it, link things, say things, math things yourself.

Even if your opponent is wrong.

Also ad hominem plea(s) citing your own savage clears is both petty and pointless.

On subject, thinking about break points for skill speed and specific rotations is very much a form of proper optimization, and many classes do it. Note this segment from the balance:
"Q: Why is looping important?
A: In order to minimise personal ability cooldown drift and maintain perfect alignment with raid buffs on intervals of 60/120/180 seconds it is important that our rotation allows us to use our 2 least flexible abilities - Meikyo Shisui and Tsubame: Gaeshi - as soon as they are available. Since Tsubame is on a 60 second cooldown we need to target a specific GCD tier to achieve a clean GCD cycle that comes as close to 60 seconds in length as possible.

Refer to http://bit.ly/Compendium-Loop for in-depth explanation.

For comparative purposes we always assume Y/G/K Meikyo and G/K Bana.

Viable SkS tiers for looping:
2.13 ( 28 GCD Loop ) - 812 SkS - requires 1 filler GCD
2.06 ( 29 GCD Loop ) - 1,624 SkS - requires 2 filler GCDs
1.99 ( 30 GCD Loop ) - 2,437 SkS - requires 3 filler GCDs
1.92 ( 31 GCD Loop ) - 3,249 SkS - requires 4 filler GCDs
1.86 ( 32 GCD Loop ) - 3,960 SkS - requires 5 filler GCDs

(Taking human error and server network into account allows for the slightly faster tier, e.g. 2.05, to be as viable as 2.06. Applicable to all listed tiers)

Filler Options:
1a) double-Yuki Meikyo - equals 1 filler GCD
1b) non-Yuki Meikyo - equals 1 negative filler GCD
2) Yuki-Bana - equals 1 negative filler GCD
3) Yatenpi - equals 1 filler GCD
4) Yuki-kure - equals 2 filler GCDs
5) Gekko-/Kasha-kure - equals 3 filler GCDs"
Oh look i cited a source where comprehensive math was done.

Additionally SAM is absolutely by no means the only class that cares about SkS/SpS.
BLM massively so, MNK still loves SkS with for the most part only ever single weaving, and they have to also try to hit specific tiers to enable ceratin optimised rotations such as the double true rotation. Even DRG do a bit. The highest potential dps SCH build right now is even SpS focused.
BRD and NIN care about keeping it low in current iteration.

Being belligerent and providing one word answers with obtuse statements that are not backed up by any source or calculation at all literally helps no one.

[Shurrikhan]

And still mistook a refresh for 15 seconds and proclaim it with confidence.

That's not a mistake; it's conventional nomenclature.

When something increases the duration of a buff when and only when the buff is present, it is typically called a "refresh". You're thinking of the term "reset".

You cannot refresh a buff that is not already present. That is the difference between a strike which "buffs" and a strike which "refreshes".

[cactuarzzzz]

That's not a mistake; it's conventional nomenclature.

When something increases the duration of a buff when and only when the buff is present, it is typically called a "refresh". You're thinking of the term "reset".

You cannot refresh a buff that is not already present. That is the difference between a strike which "buffs" and a strike which "refreshes".

Extends by 15 seconds then. You only need 10.5 seconds to complete whole aoe rotation.

So what exactly is the problem?

Refresh would be 40 seconds. Other Game used this word before. Even mosaicex already changed the word to "Extend". but Nice Try.

[cactuarzzzz]

Thats not how adults argue dude. You want to make a claim you prove it. you dont get to make a claim and then leave the work of proving it to your opponent/ That literally is how most idiotic discussions in this world begin.

If you make a claim, prove it, link things, say things, math things yourself.

Even if your opponent is wrong.

Oh, so this is where we are at now? You win, you win, mr. Expert roulette hero.

YES, THAT'S NOT HOW ADULTS ARGUE.

1.He's the one who start insulting when he lose credibility.

If Scientist provide a false thoery does that mean the job to correct it fall to everyone else? nope.

What you should do when that happen : Make a small apology when you spread the wrong info that you claim people should believe it. then you can start expecting civil conversation from me but if you ignore that/start insult me then you can forget about it.

DON'T TALK TO ME IF YOU DON'T AT LEAST HAVE IT IN YOU OR IF YOU FEEL WIN IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN PRESENT WHAT'S REAL.

Also ad hominem plea(s) citing your own savage clears is both petty and pointless.

I could even bring up the fact that you probably haven't even set foot in current savage yet still acted like know-it-all.

But I'm not petty enough for that.

I told him to re do savage because He need new testing so he can have the data from the real thing instead of the number that pop up in his head. And I like how you try to sound reasonable when you don't touch the fact that he use savage clear to insult me [when he doesn't even knew my real character]

Additionally SAM is absolutely by no means the only class that cares about SkS/SpS.
BLM massively so, MNK still loves SkS with for the most part only ever single weaving, and they have to also try to hit specific tiers to enable ceratin optimised rotations such as the double true rotation. Even DRG do a bit. The highest potential dps SCH build right now is even SpS focused.
BRD and NIN care about keeping it low in current iteration.

Being belligerent and providing one word answers with obtuse statements that are not backed up by any source or calculation at all literally helps no one.

I didn't talk about Spell Speed I said SAM needed Skill Speed the most and it mean among dps.

[Umsche]

So... how much skill speed does a samouraï need in the end and why ?

[Vendalwind]

Snip

...just saying you absolutely started shutting her down without explanation or justification, or math or logic or anything a good 5 posts before she insulted you. If you can't see how you started this wellllllll... RIP

[cactuarzzzz]

...just saying you absolutely started shutting her down without explanation or justification, or math or logic or anything a good 5 posts before she insulted you. If you can't see how you started this wellllllll... RIP

Claiming it isn't how adults argue> Leave the one who start insulting out> Skip all that>Make a new post to make it look justified for someone who start using insulting and don't argue like adult.

RIP.

[Umsche]

Claiming it isn't how adults argue> Leave the one who start insulting out> Skip all that>Make a new post to make it look justified for someone who start using insulting and don't argue like adult.

RIP.

You still haven't given any example for why SAM needs more skill speed.

[cactuarzzzz]

You still haven't given any example for why SAM needs more skill speed.

I did, only for you to ignore it. If only you ever read. btw, did I promise you at some point that I would give anything to you?

[Umsche]

I did, only for you to ignore it. If only you ever read. btw, did I promise you at some point that I would give anything to you?

You said SAM needed skillspeed for AoE, someone provided some calculated as to why it was not needed, I don't know SAM, but I'm curious if it is really needed or not, can you help me understand your point ?

EDIT : from what I got by rereading your first messages, you said SAM needed way too much Skillspeed, but then saying it needed 914, with the lvl 80 stuff, I don't find this to be very high.