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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuarzzzz View Post
    Not refresh.
    Extends by 15 seconds then. You only need 10.5 seconds to complete whole aoe rotation.

    So what exactly is the problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mosaicex View Post
    Extends by 15 seconds then. You only need 10.5 seconds to complete whole aoe rotation.

    So what exactly is the problem?
    I shoudl leave the thinking to you. Seem like you need to re do your math or maybe run the lv 80 dungeon with 914 sks and doing salvage.
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  3. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuarzzzz View Post
    I shoudl leave the thinking to you. Seem like you need to re do your math or maybe run the lv 80 dungeon with 914 sks and doing salvage.
    I do run those plenty of times already. Though in case you actually need my help calculating the duration for you, here we go.

    Fuga (2.12) + Oka (2.12) + Fuga (2.12) + Mangetsu (2.12) + Tenka Goken (2.12) = 10.6 seconds, even shorter if you have Meikyo Shisui available.

    Now can you actually make your point?
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    Last edited by mosaicex; 08-22-2019 at 10:56 PM.

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    Just to return to the original question, the short answer is that SkS/SpS buffs DoT and auto attack damage at the same rate that an equivalent amount of Det would.

    It's a common misconception that a job like SMN or BRD having big DoTs means speed might be good for them. That's not really the case though, it's more like DoTs and autos are exempted when comparing SkS to Det, so if for some jobs those were its main sources of non GCD based damage, speed gets to have a chance to compete.

    It still often doesn't though, because for instance Bard still sees some third or so of its damage completely unimpacted by SkS, and I would venture to guess that SMN is similarly unenthused, with its trances and aetherflow and egi assaults being on flat cooldowns.
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  5. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by mosaicex View Post
    I do run those plenty of times already.

    Now can you actually make your point?
    And still mistook a refresh for 15 seconds and proclaim it with confidence.
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  6. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuarzzzz View Post
    And still mistook a refresh for 15 seconds and proclaim it with confidence.
    Oh, so this is where we are at now? You win, you win, mr. Expert roulette hero.
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  7. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by mosaicex View Post
    Oh, so this is where we are at now? You win, you win, mr. Expert roulette hero.
    Instead of accept the truth you kept push forward to save your pride despite your theory collapsed. Why did people who like to bring math and theory tend to behave like this? You know what, between us I'm the one who thinking about what's real and what's not while you're worrying about "win".
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  8. #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuarzzzz View Post
    Instead of accept the truth you kept push forward to save your pride despite your theory collapsed. Why did people who like to bring math and theory tend to behave like this? You know what, between us I'm the one who thinking about what's real and what's not while you're worrying about "win".
    You're the one who was hung up about me misusing the word 'refresh', yet you yourself can't even spell the word 'savage'.

    Quote Originally Posted by cactuarzzzz View Post
    despite your theory collapsed.
    Now you're just being hilarious.

    I could even bring up the fact that you probably haven't even set foot in current savage yet still acted like know-it-all.

    But I'm not petty enough for that.
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    Last edited by mosaicex; 08-22-2019 at 11:12 PM.

  9. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by mosaicex View Post
    You're the one who was hung up about me misusing the word 'refresh', yet you yourself can't even spell the word 'savage'.
    *clap* *clap* start attack me with the misspelling now aren't you? when it is the only thing you have, any minor error is as good as any for you to use to make a comeback.

    Quote Originally Posted by mosaicex View Post
    Now you're just being hilarious.
    And now you aren't smart as you like to believe you are. You've fallen from someone who's backing up by math and theory to someone who start insulting when he's losing credibility.

    *Do you know what really make it hilarious? a SAM who run plenty of lv.80 dungeons and savage while believing oka & mangetsu refresh his buff all this time*
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    Last edited by cactuarzzzz; 08-22-2019 at 11:33 PM.

  10. #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by mosaicex View Post
    I could even bring up the fact that you probably haven't even set foot in current savage yet still acted like know-it-all.

    But I'm not petty enough for that.
    Me not know it all doesn't help you kept your math and theory from collapsed. And I cleared some of the savage with other character using only PF so... you claim to know the "fact?".

    Quote Originally Posted by mosaicex View Post
    You're the one who was hung up about me misusing the word 'refresh', yet you yourself can't even spell the word 'savage'.
    You claim you aren't petty enough but you attacked me with the misspelling? ahahahaha.
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    Last edited by cactuarzzzz; 08-23-2019 at 12:29 AM.

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