Eden Savage Coffers

[Fhaerron]

I wouldn't really call something that makes even less people want to play healer in the expansion where we have a healer shortage a good change personally.

What does this have to do with healers? My post was about how the savage loot works now. And it's a good change for Statics.


Your post describes the actually problem, the mentality of people and the 'me me me' selfish people. Raiding is a group effort. Gearing up the DPS is more efficient. And again all the loot going to our DPS first is an improvement to our group. The group DPS increases much more then it would if me, co-tank or one of our healers got the drop and there are no issues in tanking or healing anyway.
Individual parses and going for purple and orange comes after the tier is done and we have it on farm. We are not a hardcore raid group. We're only at 3/4 so far.


Explain how gearing up healers first would be an improvement?

[Ultimatecalibur]

Explain how gearing up healers first would be an improvement?

It more that gearing up tanks and healers later down the line deincentivizes doing the content as a healer/tank as part of a static. Not having the chance of getting any coffers before week 5 puts a serious damper on the desire of some to do savage content.

[Fhaerron]

It more that gearing up tanks and healers later down the line deincentivizes doing the content as a healer/tank as part of a static. Not having the chance of getting any coffers before week 5 puts a serious damper on the desire of some to do savage content.

I'm a tank. Why would I want to loot for myself when it's more beneficial to have DPS get the loot first?


Again, raiding is a team effort.

[Shamsiel]

the system would have to be redesigned then because it player's choice to roll need/greed/pass. the system cannot do it for them if they rolled need and then it had to change to greed. also once you roll need or greed, you cannot pick the other, you can only choose pass.

Yes and with this system no one is using greed, everything is need, that's the main issue of a system that gives you 3 choices and on 1 is used
Need or autopass because you didn't get it.

[Zumi]

I actually prefer the old method of having the loot drop and you would need it for your job.

[Sebazy]

It more that gearing up tanks and healers later down the line deincentivizes doing the content as a healer/tank as part of a static. Not having the chance of getting any coffers before week 5 puts a serious damper on the desire of some to do savage content.

This is a pretty big misconception that keeps getting put out there. I can't stress enough how wrong it is for the overwhelming majority of cases.

My group is also prioritising drops for DPS. If they want a piece, I will not even greed on it. Them getting the gear = we get faster clears and start skipping annoying mechanics sooner. Most of the time I won't roll against the tanks as well.

Yet despite that, on week 4 I've gotten 3 Edengrace 470 pieces and the 470 tome weapon. I've not spent any other tomes or any of my books yet. My co-healer is sitting on 5 Edengrace 470 pieces.

The trick here is that we are prioritising BiS for the most part. DPS have a little wiggle room within reason but beyond that, if it's not your BiS it goes down the chain until someone pipes up. If the DPS are being greedy and hoovering gear that they are likely going to replace within a week or two then that's a group issue, not a loot system problem.

But yeah, this idea that healers will go without loot for a month or more is completely untrue.

[stanrir]

well I just lost my Bis to someone who got 2 of the 3 item drops from E1S and now i believe you should only be allowed to win 1 piece per week to stop someone from snatching up multiple pieces like that

[030320maf]

I would propose to SE to implement a new loot rule system where pre-made groups (PF) can have the option of 1 loot only per person and they will lose the right to roll if they already got a loot from that round.

Now both statics and pugs can be happy. Statics can continue to use the current system, and pugs can join PF groups that have this option turned on if they wish.

[ForteNightshade]

It more that gearing up tanks and healers later down the line deincentivizes doing the content as a healer/tank as part of a static. Not having the chance of getting any coffers before week 5 puts a serious damper on the desire of some to do savage content.

As others have said, Savage is a team effort. Prioritizing the DPS means you can potentially skip things like Quietus or Titan's final Tumult spam. Both are [i]hugep/i] healer checks, thus making their job significantly easier while also being a straight parse advantage since you're clearing faster. Most groups also shift focus onto BiS unless they're still progging.

I actually prefer the old method of having the loot drop and you would need it for your job.

Unfortunately, that system could result in you getting essentially nothing useful for ten weeks. While it does feel bad to lose out on rolls in a pug. It feels even worse not saying a Slaying accessory drop once for two straight months. And when one finally drops... you already the better tomestone version.

[SaberMaxwell]

This is a pretty big misconception that keeps getting put out there. I can't stress enough how wrong it is for the overwhelming majority of cases.

My group is also prioritising drops for DPS. If they want a piece, I will not even greed on it. Them getting the gear = we get faster clears and start skipping annoying mechanics sooner. Most of the time I won't roll against the tanks as well.

Yet despite that, on week 4 I've gotten 3 Edengrace 470 pieces and the 470 tome weapon. I've not spent any other tomes or any of my books yet. My co-healer is sitting on 5 Edengrace 470 pieces.

The trick here is that we are prioritising BiS for the most part. DPS have a little wiggle room within reason but beyond that, if it's not your BiS it goes down the chain until someone pipes up. If the DPS are being greedy and hoovering gear that they are likely going to replace within a week or two then that's a group issue, not a loot system problem.

But yeah, this idea that healers will go without loot for a month or more is completely untrue.

Seconding this. My group's tanks and healers are almost BiS as far as savage drops are concerned already, and it's only week 4. We fed the hard hitter dps for the first week, and past that it was DPS / BiS.