So, can we just ban damage meters already.

[ForteNightshade]

9 times out of 10 the casual player that's ok with spending 40mins in a dungeon is far more toxic than any person with a parser.

I will never forget the Samurai my friend and I had in a Tsukiyomi farm several months back. I was literally 1k above him despite having been lying on the floor, dead, for a full minute. As for my friend, she was pulling almost double his numbers. We were on Ninja and Bard, respectively. After the third wipe or thereabouts I actually made a comment about how low the DPS was. Mr. 3k Samurai chimes in how much I suck and kicks me. When my friend says she's just going to leave, he rants and raves that she's garbage too. And it's her fault we're not clearing.

And yet we're the toxic, elitist raiders with the evil numbers. I have legit seen more toxicity from bad players than raiders, and I've pugged Savage.

Meaning, some people ignore if the heals were good or if the mitagation was good and judge a tank or healer strictly on the DPS they produced.

The primary reason this happens is because what player who knows people thinking this way is wrong will come out and say something when they know mentioning FFlogs can risk their account? Conversely, if we could bring up logs publicly. I could point out how the DPS whining at the Healer had five damage down stacks or the Healer themselves could note they had 15,000 HPS and very little overhealing. Which means they had to do a ton of healing either due to people eating mechanics or their co-healer not pulling their weight. Of course, not everyone would listen but you have to consider how many people simply stay silent because parsers are such a grey area.

I agree with Mr. Happy's response:

Most of the time when people have discussions about FFlogs, I find it to be very narrow minded . . . there are a lot of positive that come out of logs . . . but the way the information is used is unconstrued . . . taking things at face value, comparing jobs between roles, without actually digging a little bit deeper . . . it's kinda unfortunate that FFlogs has become that and there's this culture behind it that doesn't really understand how the tool is meant to be used, but it's kinda used as a D measuring content, you know, it's super disappointing to me cause it's a tool that could be so much more useful, but it's just used for kinda the worst things to be honest, you know.

Except Happy barely looks at FFlogs. I generally like him, however his response here is somewhat disingenuous. Currently, a 20% Monk actually contributes more rDPS than a 50% Ninja. That is, frankly, absurd. It essentially justifies locking out Ninja for Monk since you can literally get someone who has barely has any idea what they're doing and they'll still offer more than an average Ninja. Likewise, people have dug deeper. Range DPS is so low, there is very real consideration for double Black Mage. If Summoner gets a decent enough buff come 5.1, all three range jobs will suffer significantly. On the flipside of all this, you never see people locking out Warrior despite it technically being the weakest tank. Why? The damage difference so close no one cares.

While I normally agree locking out jobs is dumb. When the discrepancies are this drastic, it falls on the dev team for the imbalance mess they've created. What I cited above regarding Monk and Ninja should not be possible. And it shows the dev team needs to do better.