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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever_Learning View Post
    Im largely against parses due to the mentality they create. Tanks and healers judged on their DPS as opposed to how they play their main roles, while people complain dancer is a bad job because parsers dont show the impact that non-damage actions can contribute.
    When I originally posted this, I wasn't referring to how tanks and healers play in this game.

    I'm referring to how it impacts people's perception of those roles.

    At it's most extreme, some people would argue that there are NO separate roles, everyone is a DPS, and some roles have extra functions like defensive CDs or heals.

    I agree that it's important for tanks to mitigate and DPS, and for healers to heal and DPS, but I am concerned that there's a growing mentality that only the DPS they did matter.

    Meaning, some people ignore if the heals were good or if the mitagation was good and judge a tank or healer strictly on the DPS they produced.

    For example, I agree that a healer's DPS is often related to the party they are with. Now, imagine a scenario where the group is eating mechanics, so the healer has to heal to keep everyone alive, and afterwards, they complain to the healer about the low DPS produced. I'm concerned that this attitude is fostered and reinforced via parsers.

    For example, there was a youtube video where all of the jobs were ranked via a tier list, and it became clear that it was entirely based on their DPS parse.

    The video has 50% down votes, and the authors themselves even pinned the following comment (of a larger comment):

    >Umm, gonna be blunt this is a very badly done video.

    >1. Power (to me) does not equal DPS/HPS. To me power suggests an overall power level, this includes damage, support, debuffs and buffs. Since this is a purely numbers list and does not account for any >support or utility you should have titled the video "DPS/HPS Ranking" instead.

    Often there are people who only consider DPS when considering the value of a job, and I think that parsers contribute to that mentality.

    Another example occurred this week in the Monday with Mr. Happy video.

    Someone asked a question about balance, in particular, asking dancer vs. monk, dragoon, and black mage. Basically, talking about how far behind Dancer was in terms of DPS.

    I agree with Mr. Happy's response:

    Most of the time when people have discussions about FFlogs, I find it to be very narrow minded . . . there are a lot of positive that come out of logs . . . but the way the information is used is unconstrued . . . taking things at face value, comparing jobs between roles, without actually digging a little bit deeper . . . it's kinda unfortunate that FFlogs has become that and there's this culture behind it that doesn't really understand how the tool is meant to be used, but it's kinda used as a D measuring content, you know, it's super disappointing to me cause it's a tool that could be so much more useful, but it's just used for kinda the worst things to be honest, you know.
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    Last edited by Forever_Learning; 08-21-2019 at 07:40 AM.