So, can we just ban damage meters already.

[Sebazy]

I 'd be perfectly fine with a stone/sky/sea trial that required pulling at least a significant % of the necessary damage in order to flag the player as savage/ex'able

Until some form of movement, dodging or disconnects get added to SSS, it'll forever be irrelevant to real content though. I can program a button on my keyboard to beat SSS for me.

[Tharnor]

Been playing this game since patch 2.2 and can count on one hand how many times I have seen people lose their shit over a dps meter in game. Mind you this is not talking about performance like the village favorite ice mage. Or standing in the fire. But actually calling them out for low damage numbers. Lots of people seem to think without a parser we cannot tell your not doing a good job. There are many signs in game.

[Lemuel81]

in 3+ years never once in a PUG have I had a player use damage meters directly to insult others, sure it is easy to tell who is slacking off, but I do not need a dmg meter to know that as well.

[Metalsonic]

I don't use it in low level content. Mostly for savage raids. They're helpful since savage is very much about not accepting anyone who is bad at the game into your group because it makes the fights impossible. Though it's quite easy for me to see based on the damage if everyone is not doing damage. Most notably in duty finder expert roulettes which as tank sometimes take like 30-40 minutes since even if you pull everything the DPS is just bad. Typically I leave those type of groups after the first pull.

[EaMett]

That's literally from 2015. For fights like ultimate there's no way to clear it without healer DPS and you can't outgear that. There's no way it's possible that the min ilevel is not the assumed level

Week 1 (in eden savage) if you took the absolute best max 100 percentile padded dps (before fflogs had rdps as default) and the same for tanks and added them you were still short by a lot for some encounters iirc.

Needless to say it was impossible to get 6 100 percentile parses at the same time since you can't pad everyone. So healer DPS was absolutely necessary and that source from 2015 still holds and is valid for savage tier too. Even today lets say all your dps pull 14k and your tanks 9k that's a total of 74k so you're still short for e4s. And lets be honest, how often are your dps at 14k.. and tanks at 9k? Good luck never clearing if your healers don't dps.

[Conando]

If you report someone for bringing up parse numbers, they WILL be at least temporarily banned.

[MPK]

Week 1 (in eden savage) if you took the absolute best max 100 percentile padded dps (before fflogs had rdps as default) and the same for tanks and added them you were still short by a lot for some encounters iirc.

Needless to say it was impossible to get 6 100 percentile parses at the same time since you can't pad everyone. So healer DPS was absolutely necessary and that source from 2015 still holds and is valid for savage tier too. Even today lets say all your dps pull 14k and your tanks 9k that's a total of 74k so you're still short for e4s. And lets be honest, how often are your dps at 14k.. and tanks at 9k? Good luck never clearing if your healers don't dps.

Yeah it's asinine to even think that devs actually design savage content with 0 healer DPS in mind.

[RoyalBeef]

If you report someone for bringing up parse numbers, they WILL be at least temporarily banned.

Throwing numbrs out there are no proof someone is parsing tho. I could make numbers up. Had a SAM who was pulling decent numbers, and he knew it, but he was like "How's my DPS?" just bc he wanted to hear someone else say it, and I was "Barely above healers, better step it up a bit mate." just to ruffle his feathers and ofc he knew I was joking. Does that proof I was parsing? Anyone could crack a joke like that without parsing.

[NekoNova]

Until some form of movement, dodging or disconnects get added to SSS, it'll forever be irrelevant to real content though. I can program a button on my keyboard to beat SSS for me.

Not to mention that SSS conditions are stricter than the actual raid is.
You need way more DPS to actually kill the SSS dummy than you need for clearing the raid.

[Relliksz]

9 times out of 10 the casual player that's ok with spending 40mins in a dungeon is far more toxic than any person with a parser.