So, can we just ban damage meters already.

[Granyala]

Don’t really see the reason to undermine a legitimate orange. Even if it is from a tank/healer. Sure, they parse orange easier than DPS, but an earned orange is an orange at the end of the day.

I only manage orange in respect to healing output, never in terms of DPS.
My group just doesn't play cleanly enough to allow for proper DPS parses.

[HyoMinPark]

I only manage orange in respect to healing output, never in terms of DPS.
My group just doesn't play cleanly enough to allow for proper DPS parses.

Um. Okay. Well, I guess I’m sorry?
Honestly, not sure what this has to do with my post lol

[Granyala]

Um. Okay. Well, I guess I’m sorry?
Honestly, not sure what this has to do with my post lol

Just highlighting that parsing orange as a healer doesn't have much to do with the persons skill in question and is more of a group effort, after all, it is not exactly challenging to mash 1 button during healing downtime. So I kinda understand DPS players chuckling about healers boasting.

[HyoMinPark]

Just highlighting that parsing orange as a healer doesn't have much to do with the persons skill in question and is more of a group effort, after all, it is not exactly challenging to mash 1 button during healing downtime. So I kinda understand DPS players chuckling about healers boasting.

I mean. An orange is an orange. Unless it’s a pad, there’s very little reason to laugh about it, in my opinion. Coming from a DPS player, if a healer earns a legitimate orange, I’m not going to laugh at them for it. Regardless of how “easy” it may seem. If it was so “easy”, perhaps more healers would hit that orange, wouldn’t you think?

[Granyala]

I mean. An orange is an orange. Unless it’s a pad, there’s very little reason to laugh about it, in my opinion. Coming from a DPS player, if a healer earns a legitimate orange, I’m not going to laugh at them for it. Regardless of how “easy” it may seem. If it was so “easy”, perhaps more healers would hit that orange, wouldn’t you think?

Most oranges are "pads" done from specific parsing runs. Just the nature of the beast really. Bored people that clear content either way and then want to see how much individual members can do if they push it to the extreme.

Most healers don't get the chance to. Like me. I could parse orange no problem but due to my groups performance I simply lack the GCDs to do so. I'd reckon that is the case for most healers esp during progression.

[HyoMinPark]

Most oranges are "pads" done from specific parsing runs. Just the nature of the beast really. Bored people that clear content either way and then want to see how much individual members can do if they push it to the extreme.

Not with the shift from pDPS to rDPS—you can’t get padded oranges with the new FFLogs (and we can thank the introduction of DNC for that). And there were plenty of oranges that weren’t the result of pads. You should look at some of the old speedkills. You aren’t padding in a speedkill.

[ForteNightshade]

Most oranges are "pads" done from specific parsing runs. Just the nature of the beast really. Bored people that clear content either way and then want to see how much individual members can do if they push it to the extreme.

Most healers don't get the chance to. Like me. I could parse orange no problem but due to my groups performance I simply lack the GCDs to do so. I'd reckon that is the case for most healers esp during progression.

Are some parses pads? Of course. Saying the majority of oranges are pads is laughable. A group going in with several members pushing 90+ percentile is the whole team working together—which is the entire point of optimization.

Likewise, saying you could parse orange no problem if it wasn't for bad players is, frankly, a cop out. While having to GCD heal or raise will inevitably impact your numbers. You can still parse orange if you're already good enough to reach that tier consistently.

[AmeliaVerves]

Just highlighting that parsing orange as a healer doesn't have much to do with the persons skill in question and is more of a group effort, after all, it is not exactly challenging to mash 1 button during healing downtime. So I kinda understand DPS players chuckling about healers boasting.

I see this a lot and I tend to disagree honestly. It may apply to orange rankings, yes, but it's easy to get a medium purple even in supbar groups.
Just a matter of fact that most healers don't utilize their healing toolkit properly, as in focussing on oGCDs, mapping their tools over a whole fight and pick the right tool for the situation to minimize overhealing.

DPS chuckling over good healer parses is just... idk dude, your only job and concern is to click your buttons in the right order and delay them/shift them to adjust to the fight at hand. I don't see how this would be particularly more difficult than adjusting to ppl being braindead and getting hit by avoidable damage > loosing GCDs and STILL pushing your dps to the max.

[Granyala]

I see this a lot and I tend to disagree honestly. It may apply to orange rankings, yes, but it's easy to get a medium purple even in supbar groups.
Just a matter of fact that most healers don't utilize their healing toolkit properly, as in focussing on oGCDs, mapping their tools over a whole fight and pick the right tool for the situation to minimize overhealing.

You do realize that you are contradicting yourself here, right?
In good groups, yeah you can get through a lot of fights w/o having to GCD heal much. In crappy groups... not so much. They will force you to GCD heal and they will (in case of WHM) also often force you to use your weaker AoE heal 2x instead of being able to cure III because apparently stacking is hard. ._.

A group going in with several members pushing 90+ percentile is the whole team working together—which is the entire point of optimization.

Likewise, saying you could parse orange no problem if it wasn't for bad players is, frankly, a cop out. While having to GCD heal or raise will inevitably impact your numbers. You can still parse orange if you're already good enough to reach that tier consistently.

Bolded: exactly my point. My individual skill doesn't mean much if my group has crap DPS, extends the fight duration so the initial burst DPS dissipates, doesn't stack CDs properly and eats a lot of avoidable damage to the point of me having to rez (and pump them back up).

Second paragraph: that entirely depends on how good the orange parsing groups are. If the top 5% reports already are flawless play, no you won't end up there in a flawed run. That's just how the math works. I've seen a WHM do 7.xK DPS. Quite amazing, but at the same time the dude did like 4K HPS. If I tried that we would wipe... VERY quickly.