Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Cincierta]

So last night 3 of my fc mates (including me) decided to help get a few of our classes up, but we would get random tanks that were rather rude to our healer and would mass pull spots that were best left broken down. Had a few wipes and another friend got on after another craptastic Sohm Al. So I party them up and we had our 4-man, and asked if our healer wanted to level up something else. The conversation went something like this:

Me: So what did you want to bring?
FChealer: I can bring sam which I haven't played in forever or summoner.
Me: Eh, bring sam. I'll heal.
FCfriend1: I can tank, give me a bit. (he was on mnk)
FCfriend2: Highest she can do is dusk vigil, so let's do that.

I queue up, but did not realize the one that offered to tank forgot to swap jobs. We load in and I see no blue icon. We were all like 'wait wha...oh.'

I had completely forgotten that role restrictions were lifted upon making preformed parties. We counted as a preformed party. So our party comp was MNK, SAM, MCH, and me on WHM. The second I realized what had happened, our MNK decided that 'fck it, let's do it!'

MNK: You know what, let's just roll with this.
MCH: Oh, okay. I'm not tanking.
Me: Um, we're gonna die, you know that right?
MNK: lawl you did make a bet with me about tanking everything as mnk before, and you will get your cleaves!
Me: fck
MNK: Just remember not to do medica 2! (proceeds to single-target, forcing me to medica 2)

I somehow managed to keep the entire party alive (even when I was tanking since hate was all over the place) and I didn't realize whm could actually take a Trunk Tawse to the face and live. The entire run was just full of shenanigans. After we killed the final boss, our MNKmate decided 'you know what, fck it and let's do a full healer party.' So we ran Sohm Al and Aery about 6 times (our mch didn't have whm high enough, so he stayed dps), and we got lots of lawls out of it. Then our mch had to head to work, and another friend came on and ran with us as whm.

Because watching 3-4 healers do the whole 'I can carry this party by healing myself' is hilarious as hell. Especially on Tiomat and Nidhogg. I think our next challenge is to run the Vault like that.

[kidalutz]

Got an inprog Sastasha where I'm guessing the war pulled too much for the lv 23 cnj and the ninja to do. Went through the whole dungeon with a dead at the start war tanking on my dnc. The war did ask for a kick but they never got one.

Dear tanks...
you get rampart at level 8
please add it to your hotbar and use it when you mass pull its literally your first mitigation and healers dont have the big heals until

Cure II: 30
Adlo:30
BeneficII:30


Also please be aware AoE does not exist until these levels for your dps

BLM/Thm:18
BRD/Arc:18
MCH:18
DNC:15
RDM:15
SAM:26
MNK:26
SMN:40
DRG:40
NIN:38

DPS those are the times you should be using that new button is when the tank wall pulls

Healers
I hate to be the bearer of bad news..
but you may have to hard cast your healing spells at level 15+

And Remember Orange is not your friend.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Got an inprog Sastasha where I'm guessing the war pulled too much for the lv 23 cnj and the ninja to do. Went through the whole dungeon with a dead at the start war tanking on my dnc. The war did ask for a kick but they never got one.

Should've kicked him right before the final boss. Then he doesn't get the completion bonus but still loses time for being petty.

[HumanNinjaToo]

Dear tanks...
you get rampart at level 8
please add it to your hotbar and use it when you mass pull its literally your first mitigation and healers dont have the big heals until

Cure II: 30
Adlo:30
BeneficII:30


Also please be aware AoE does not exist until these levels for your dps

BLM/Thm:18
BRD/Arc:18
MCH:18
DNC:15
RDM:15
SAM:26
MNK:26
SMN:40
DRG:40
NIN:38

DPS those are the times you should be using that new button is when the tank wall pulls

Healers
I hate to be the bearer of bad news..
but you may have to hard cast your healing spells at level 15+

And Remember Orange is not your friend.

I wish some people tanking would take note of this. I get into DF, so many low level dungeons, with no ability to AOE (as a SAM). It goes so slow when the tank aggro's 3-4 mob groups, and me and another DPS are just sitting there single-rotation (a crap single rotation at low level btw) while the poor healer struggles to keep tank alive because the tank rounded up 12+ mobs.

[FedoraTheExplorer]

Got to do Dohn Mheg today and it was super fun. Everything started off fine and our RDM suggests to our tank that he interrupt the Fuath mobs. The tank does not do this, but it's whatever. We get to the first boss fine and clear it with no trouble. On the way to the second one, the tank dies and I admit it was most likely my fault. I didn't get ED off in time, but I was able to ress him ASAP and we luckily do not wipe. At the second boss, this fun conversation happens:



Our RDM then calls him a supbar tank for not making use of his toolkit, which I did find a little rude, but having played with tanks who literally do not make use of their toolkits at all, I kind of agree with them. I hope that doesn't sound elitist lol, I'm just a little worn out. It's whatever, though. We're getting close to the end so it's not like I'll have to play with this tank again. Still, he and the RDM get very snippy at each other which results in this also fun conversation that ended with the tank getting kicked:



I did think the vote dismiss was fair. The RDM at first was in no way being rude in asking that the tank interrupt the frogs and asking if he had the ability on his hotbar. It was the tank who started with the attitude. We quickly find a new tank and finish the dungeon. A very fun and cool and interesting run.

[NaiaLalita]

Today I learned one of my friends got suspended from the game for failing to baby and/or cater to a troll/harasser in a duty finder leveling run.

The situation:
A new player (a leveling tank) was taking pulls slow. My friend, the healer, was fine with this and offered some mentor advice and support. One of the DPS was also quite supportive and offered bits of guidance and tips for the dungeon.

The other DPS, however, found this tank unacceptable. This DPS continually ran ahead to pull mobs, which the tank was not comfortable (or possibly able, being a new and leveling player) to handle. This resulted in the tank dying multiple times, as well as other party members. This DPS also said in chat that the party was too slow, and attempted to insult them by saying they should have just queued with Trusts. This DPS also tried to harass the party into vote-kicking them so they could re-queue immediately into a "better" party - to avoid the 30-minute penalty from Leaving a duty.

The healer and supportive DPS told this player that if they wanted to leave, they were free to Abandon the duty. Given the content of the chat, and the behavior of this player, even if they had Vote Kicked as requested, there was no guarantee this player wouldn't have spitefully submitted reports on them, too. So the healer set the boundary that if this DPS continued to pull in advance of the tank, they would not be healing them. (A pretty standard duty finder boundary, in my experience)

The impatient DPS continued pulling and antagonizing the party in chat, all the way to the end of the dungeon.

At the end of it all, the troll significantly negatively impacted three other players - wasting time and setting a terrible first-time impression for a new and leveling tank.

The healer submitted a report on this player after the fact. They were honest and immediate.
Today they were informed that they were being suspended for three days.
The technical reason given was "MPK" but contextually, they are being punished for failing to acquiesce with a troll's demands, and for not throwing a new player under the bus to accommodate a single impatient, selfish player.

I do not have the words to describe how appalled I am that this is how this situation panned out.
I cannot fathom how this was determined to be an appropriate resolution to that situation, in some GM's mind. And the GM had the nerve to send my friend off with some chipper role-play comment about "choosing a brighter path next time."

The message this sends is "Give in to the bullies, because standing up for yourself (and/or others) is punishable." And that's pretty messed up.

[kidalutz]

Today I learned one of my friends got suspended from the game for failing to baby and/or cater to a troll/harasser in a duty finder leveling run.

The situation:
A new player (a leveling tank) was taking pulls slow. My friend, the healer, was fine with this and offered some mentor advice and support. One of the DPS was also quite supportive and offered bits of guidance and tips for the dungeon.

The other DPS, however, found this tank unacceptable. This DPS continually ran ahead to pull mobs, which the tank was not comfortable (or possibly able, being a new and leveling player) to handle. This resulted in the tank dying multiple times, as well as other party members. This DPS also said in chat that the party was too slow, and attempted to insult them by saying they should have just queued with Trusts. This DPS also tried to harass the party into vote-kicking them so they could re-queue immediately into a "better" party - to avoid the 30-minute penalty from Leaving a duty.

The healer and supportive DPS told this player that if they wanted to leave, they were free to Abandon the duty. Given the content of the chat, and the behavior of this player, even if they had Vote Kicked as requested, there was no guarantee this player wouldn't have spitefully submitted reports on them, too. So the healer set the boundary that if this DPS continued to pull in advance of the tank, they would not be healing them. (A pretty standard duty finder boundary, in my experience)

The impatient DPS continued pulling and antagonizing the party in chat, all the way to the end of the dungeon.

At the end of it all, the troll significantly negatively impacted three other players - wasting time and setting a terrible first-time impression for a new and leveling tank.

The healer submitted a report on this player after the fact. They were honest and immediate.
Today they were informed that they were being suspended for three days.
The technical reason given was "MPK" but contextually, they are being punished for failing to acquiesce with a troll's demands, and for not throwing a new player under the bus to accommodate a single impatient, selfish player.

I do not have the words to describe how appalled I am that this is how this situation panned out.
I cannot fathom how this was determined to be an appropriate resolution to that situation, in some GM's mind. And the GM had the nerve to send my friend off with some chipper role-play comment about "choosing a brighter path next time."

The message this sends is "Give in to the bullies, because standing up for yourself (and/or others) is punishable." And that's pretty messed up.

This sounds typical personally I think the entire investigation was badly handled but while I wish I could say I was surprised I cant.

[SturmChurro]

Today I learned one of my friends got suspended from the game for failing to baby and/or cater to a troll/harasser in a duty finder leveling run.

The situation:
A new player (a leveling tank) was taking pulls slow. My friend, the healer, was fine with this and offered some mentor advice and support. One of the DPS was also quite supportive and offered bits of guidance and tips for the dungeon.

The other DPS, however, found this tank unacceptable. This DPS continually ran ahead to pull mobs, which the tank was not comfortable (or possibly able, being a new and leveling player) to handle. This resulted in the tank dying multiple times, as well as other party members. This DPS also said in chat that the party was too slow, and attempted to insult them by saying they should have just queued with Trusts. This DPS also tried to harass the party into vote-kicking them so they could re-queue immediately into a "better" party - to avoid the 30-minute penalty from Leaving a duty.

The healer and supportive DPS told this player that if they wanted to leave, they were free to Abandon the duty. Given the content of the chat, and the behavior of this player, even if they had Vote Kicked as requested, there was no guarantee this player wouldn't have spitefully submitted reports on them, too. So the healer set the boundary that if this DPS continued to pull in advance of the tank, they would not be healing them. (A pretty standard duty finder boundary, in my experience)

The impatient DPS continued pulling and antagonizing the party in chat, all the way to the end of the dungeon.

At the end of it all, the troll significantly negatively impacted three other players - wasting time and setting a terrible first-time impression for a new and leveling tank.

The healer submitted a report on this player after the fact. They were honest and immediate.
Today they were informed that they were being suspended for three days.
The technical reason given was "MPK" but contextually, they are being punished for failing to acquiesce with a troll's demands, and for not throwing a new player under the bus to accommodate a single impatient, selfish player.

I do not have the words to describe how appalled I am that this is how this situation panned out.
I cannot fathom how this was determined to be an appropriate resolution to that situation, in some GM's mind. And the GM had the nerve to send my friend off with some chipper role-play comment about "choosing a brighter path next time."

The message this sends is "Give in to the bullies, because standing up for yourself (and/or others) is punishable." And that's pretty messed up.

This is why you should NEVER put evidence in chat. It may not go your way. Especially with how the ToS is enforced in-game, and on the forums. A risk to even chat in this game.

[Berteaux_Braumegain]

So last night 3 of my fc mates (including me) decided to help get a few of our classes up, but we would get random tanks that were rather rude to our healer and would mass pull spots that were best left broken down. Had a few wipes and another friend got on after another craptastic Sohm Al. So I party them up and we had our 4-man, and asked if our healer wanted to level up something else. The conversation went something like this:

Me: So what did you want to bring?
FChealer: I can bring sam which I haven't played in forever or summoner.
Me: Eh, bring sam. I'll heal.
FCfriend1: I can tank, give me a bit. (he was on mnk)
FCfriend2: Highest she can do is dusk vigil, so let's do that.

I queue up, but did not realize the one that offered to tank forgot to swap jobs. We load in and I see no blue icon. We were all like 'wait wha...oh.'

I had completely forgotten that role restrictions were lifted upon making preformed parties. We counted as a preformed party. So our party comp was MNK, SAM, MCH, and me on WHM. The second I realized what had happened, our MNK decided that 'fck it, let's do it!'

MNK: You know what, let's just roll with this.
MCH: Oh, okay. I'm not tanking.
Me: Um, we're gonna die, you know that right?
MNK: lawl you did make a bet with me about tanking everything as mnk before, and you will get your cleaves!
Me: fck
MNK: Just remember not to do medica 2! (proceeds to single-target, forcing me to medica 2)

I somehow managed to keep the entire party alive (even when I was tanking since hate was all over the place) and I didn't realize whm could actually take a Trunk Tawse to the face and live. The entire run was just full of shenanigans. After we killed the final boss, our MNKmate decided 'you know what, fck it and let's do a full healer party.' So we ran Sohm Al and Aery about 6 times (our mch didn't have whm high enough, so he stayed dps), and we got lots of lawls out of it. Then our mch had to head to work, and another friend came on and ran with us as whm.

Because watching 3-4 healers do the whole 'I can carry this party by healing myself' is hilarious as hell. Especially on Tiomat and Nidhogg. I think our next challenge is to run the Vault like that.

I think I remember doing a No Tank or a No Healer run of The Burn with my old static. It was pretty nuts on the last boss.

Should've kicked him right before the final boss. Then he doesn't get the completion bonus but still loses time for being petty.

Oh, I absolutely love doing that to rude people when I get the chance. Feels good every time.

[Crushnight]

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The mistake your friend did was saying they weren't going to heal rather than just not healing without saying a word, a healer refusing to do the duty they signed up for and more importantly stating it in the chat log is a very dumb move. The person you were dealing with was horrible no question about it but your friend unfortunately gave them the ammunition to get them suspended, fortunately it is a light sentence GM obviously saw chatlogs and most likely the other person is at least on a watch list (This never goes away) so take a small comfort that person is 1 step closer to being permanently gone (minimum with what happened based on your account).

GMs are forced to uphold the laws set and your friend broke one openly they had no choice but to suspend or leeways would be requested ad nausium for everything, so they decide to just go the route you break any rules you butt is in trouble, stick up for sprouts/other players, highly encourage to do so but and this is very important CHOOSE YOUR WORDS CAREFULLY, do not give them free ammunition to use against you.