Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Kallera]

No... There was a demand for a Beast Race. The Lupin were actually pretty Well Received, and the Devs decided it would be a good choice for Diversity to include a playable Beast Race. (Not YoshiP's EXACT words but...)

But wasn’t their example for beast races the viera?

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

But wasn’t their example for beast races the viera?

I doubt it. The viera are mostly humanoid and I think the developers wanted to go outside of the human like faces. I could be wrong, however. But then again this shouldn't be a battle of us vs. them when it comes to viera and hrothgar. Both are great, in my opinion and have their own pro's and con's.

[Gwenorai]

But wasn’t their example for beast races the viera?

Nah, see this was weird. When they put in the option for a more beast race they used the example that was Viera. But then Yoshida went ahead and said that perhaps they shouldn't have used the example that was Viera as it skewered the results. Was odd really. I'm assuming we're talking about the race poll that was done years back.
It could be why the male art was seen as too cute for him as well, I think Yoshida wanted them to be more 'beast like'. We were then given Hrothgar males - and thus the Viera males are now described as being elegant like. So looks like the plans were changed regarding the concept.

[Nynuwe]

Everything can be construed as "fulfilling the quota", so that's not a good argument to use to shut down any suggestion made here. It's like watching the kettle and the pot fight about who is more black.

I always pictured them the same height as the women. Perhaps they may have a greater range of height as Gwen suggested- Shorter than the women, but also taller- as a way to appease all sides.


[SPOILER=Unimportant Deductions Ahead]I try to think of a reason why they would be shorter and I go back to them being of the same height eventually. Perhaps because it takes less calories to power a smaller body, so shorter males may have that advantage and survive longer, which meant more seasons reproducing. And this in turn makes their genes propagate more, so after several generations, we would see a tendency for males to be shorter if the advantages to be taller do not outweigh the advantages to be shorter. But then how to keep this gene from also affecting the women? There needs to also be a factor affecting the height of the women to keep women taller, but women's lifestyle do not favor either height. So there is nothing from the female side to counteract the forces affecting the male side of things. This means the women would also be inheriting these genes and gradually become shorter as well. So we are back to the same place: males and females being of the similar height. But since the women remain tall, then I think it is safe to assume the men did as well and that either A.a shorter height did not improve their chances of survival in a significant enough matter to produce a change to that effect or B. being tall kept giving more advantages than being short did.[/SPOILER]

[official_coconut]

I remember reading about a poll where they counted Viera as a beast tribe somewhere in the thread that was done years ago. This might be because Viera originally had more clawed hands and feet, but that was done away with if we look at the Viera we have now. The only way to get those claws/long nails back is at the Gold Saucer with an item.

Edit: If a gene were to only affect males it would have to be carried on the X chromosome given by the female. Female's additional X chromosome (the Barr body) negates negative traits the other one may have. That is why it can be dangerous to only have one X chromosome in a female. A male is ok with 1 X and one 1 Y, however the X will code for genes that the Y will not override (Y is very small and does not have that much info). That is how traits like baldness and hemophilia affect males more than a female.

An example could be that Au Ra women have a trait on X that codes for massive height growth, but their Barr body (the other X negates it). This causes male Au Ra to be very tall then, because they only have one X that is being expressed uninhibited. The same or reverse could be true for Viera men then.

[Lauront]

When you’re explicitly stating they should be short because of a ‘shortage’ of short men it does lend itself to being branded a quota-based argument. Anyway I’m in agreement on the bigger range for the height scale, which is why I keep bringing it up. They can use a female roegadyn style gap for them.

[Nynuwe]

I remember reading about a poll where they counted Viera as a beast tribe somewhere in the thread that was done years ago. This might be because Viera originally had more clawed hands and feet, but that was done away with if we look at the Viera we have now. The only way to get those claws/long nails back is at the Gold Saucer with an item.

Edit: If a gene were to only affect males it would have to be carried on the X chromosome given by the female. Female's additional X chromosome (the Barr body) negates negative traits the other one may have. That is why it can be dangerous to only have one X chromosome in a female. A male is ok with 1 X and one 1 Y, however the X will code for genes that the Y will not override (Y is very small and does not have that much info). That is how traits like baldness and hemophilia affect males more than a female.

An example could be that Au Ra women have a trait on X that codes for massive height growth, but their other X negates it. This causes male Au Ra to be very tall then. The same or reverse could be true for Viera men then.

So that's how! I love that you gave me this information. Thanks! <3

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

If they truly wanted to add diversity then why impose restrictions on Hrothgar that make them all look the same? When I see them they're using one of two faces, the lion or the Khimari face. Speaking of Lupin, whatever happened to the wolf face that was supposed to be included with Hrothgar?

Last I checked there were 4 face options with 2 hairstyles each. And all are used on my server, along with the Features, so there is alot of Diversity on the Hrothgar.
Don't forget too, I know they are getting alot of flack for it not being here NOW, but they said they are making more Hairstyles for the Hrothgar.
And I think YoshiP misspoke when he said "Wolf Face" the Hrothgar are a Feline Race, so its gonna be Cat faces. At the very least giving him a little leeway, maybe there might be a new face that could get patched in with more Canine Features. Doubt it, because...again...this is a Feline Race.

[WhiteArchmage]

I remember reading about a poll where they counted Viera as a beast tribe somewhere in the thread that was done years ago. This might be because Viera originally had more clawed hands and feet, but that was done away with if we look at the Viera we have now. The only way to get those claws/long nails back is at the Gold Saucer with an item.

Edit: If a gene were to only affect males it would have to be carried on the X chromosome given by the female. Female's additional X chromosome (the Barr body) negates negative traits the other one may have. That is why it can be dangerous to only have one X chromosome in a female. A male is ok with 1 X and one 1 Y, however the X will code for genes that the Y will not override (Y is very small and does not have that much info). That is how traits like baldness and hemophilia affect males more than a female.

An example could be that Au Ra women have a trait on X that codes for massive height growth, but their Barr body (the other X negates it). This causes male Au Ra to be very tall then, because they only have one X that is being expressed uninhibited. The same or reverse could be true for Viera men then.

Oooh, I knew about hemophilia and how it's transmitted by the mother, but not why, learn something new every day

[official_coconut]

A search on instagram turned up this by @viciousjay.art. I'm sure it'll please those wanting the more rough look.