Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

My main point is that BDO has the most customization that I've ever seen. It seems to blow everyone else out of the water. It's a little odd that they can go so in depth with things and yet other companies don't bother. Obviously XIV is too old to get something like that, though. I'm thinking whatever next iteration they have will be more in depth and hopefully not written on spaghetti.

[hiedra]

It's relevant to those interested in seeing the option added. It has served its purpose of getting a response on the matter, but it doesn't mean we can't discuss the topic further whilst we wait to see what decision they ultimately come to.

I haven't been keeping up with this thread at all. Have there been any new developments regarding male viera/female hrothgar?

[Lauront]

I haven't been keeping up with this thread at all. Have there been any new developments regarding male viera/female hrothgar?

None! However, this is rather early days.

My main point is that BDO has the most customization that I've ever seen. It seems to blow everyone else out of the water. It's a little odd that they can go so in depth with things and yet other companies don't bother. Obviously XIV is too old to get something like that, though. I'm thinking whatever next iteration they have will be more in depth and hopefully not written on spaghetti.

I get that and I agree. I just like there being some restrictions on what options a given race can take, but yes, that aside, BDO does have a much "fresher" look than XIV.

At the same time, they've stated they would probably release quite a different type of MMO to XIV next time round (closer to a MOBA or the like), so in a sense if they don't do it with XIV through some kind of ARR type move, I don't think we'll see it in this type of MMO.

[Alleo]

That's a good question actually. Part of me wonders if the males' ears would default have 'damage' on them or something. I'm curious on if the body of the mViera would also have damage to it as well. Like scars? Seems unlikely but they did say they're kind of staying true to the old games lore. Which has the males going through some harsh sh*t. It'd be nice to have that reflect on them.

I wouldn't object to them having 'scar' patterns; you know where its a sacred rite of passage and sign of manhood in some tribes where they have 'tattoos' that are actually just self-inflicted scarring. They're pretty damn intense.

I would love something like that especially since they are living on their own. But sadly I agree with SturmChurro that there is probably not a high chance to get it. Even the Xaela Au Ra, a race that loves to fight against each other looks mostly fine with no real scars as options..in general i still hope for the day that we would get more scars for everyone..and not just that one line in the face..big scars, burn scars, ears that are hurt, maybe even on tails...but that will remain a dream right now.

[SturmChurro]

At the same time, they've stated they would probably release quite a different type of MMO to XIV next time round (closer to a MOBA or the like), so in a sense if they don't do it with XIV through some kind of ARR type move, I don't think we'll see it in this type of MMO.

That saddens me. A MOBA style would make this this the first and last FF MMO I play. That would suck. On top of the fact that that genre (and battle royale) is dead. Honestly, I don't think SE knows how to make good new games. Even if it starts with male viera and the customization is good, it would SUCK. I know Yoshida said it would be quite different, but it would be best if they just kept to an mmorpg format, rather than change it completely, in my opinion.

I don't consider a new FF MMO like that as a replacement for this game, but rather just another game in the series. I understand why though, publishers trying to cash in on the casual market, probably something with the format to throw giant amounts of microtransactions into. Since all they want is to clean out our wallets.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

None! However, this is rather early days.



I get that and I agree. I just like there being some restrictions on what options a given race can take, but yes, that aside, BDO does have a much "fresher" look than XIV.

At the same time, they've stated they would probably release quite a different type of MMO to XIV next time round (closer to a MOBA or the like), so in a sense if they don't do it with XIV through some kind of ARR type move, I don't think we'll see it in this type of MMO.

I'm not attempting to directly compare XIV to BDO as the games, although mmo's, are vastly different. The art style is also quite different. I also wasn't speaking about race options. It was more so the amount of options available, such as being able to select individual parts of a face and moving them around or using sliders to create that perfect face you may want. Of course some people have created horrendous looking characters that don't fit at all, but that's to the extreme. If we could ever get a reboot of sorts to FF, I'd like a similar customization system with less extremes.

In reference to this moba thing, could you link a reference? I've never heard that. Although they have just stated at Gamescon that there is no plans for any sequel currently.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

That saddens me. A MOBA style would make this this the first and last FF MMO I play. That would suck. On top of the fact that that genre (and battle royale) is dead. Honestly, I don't think SE knows how to make good new games. Even if it starts with male viera and the customization is good, it would SUCK. I know Yoshida said it would be quite different, but it would be best if they just kept to an mmorpg format, rather than change it completely, in my opinion.

I don't consider a new FF MMO like that as a replacement for this game, but rather just another game in the series. I understand why though, publishers trying to cash in on the casual market, probably something with the format to throw giant amounts of microtransactions into. Since all they want is to clean out our wallets.

I agree. If they made it a moba that would end it for me. Although, I have a feeling they'd never replace XIV with a moba. The genres are completely different and this is current SE's cash cow.

[SturmChurro]

I'm not attempting to directly compare XIV to BDO as the games, although mmo's, are vastly different. The art style is also quite different. I also wasn't speaking about race options. It was more so the amount of options available, such as being able to select individual parts of a face and moving them around or using sliders to create that perfect face you may want. Of course some people have created horrendous looking characters that don't fit at all, but that's to the extreme. If we could ever get a reboot of sorts to FF, I'd like a similar customization system with less extremes.

In reference to this moba thing, could you link a reference? I've never heard that. Although they have just stated at Gamescon that there is no plans for any sequel currently.

I think a healthy medium between the options of ESO, and BDO could be nice. With more facial customization, etc. I like that ESO has it restricted enough that it's within the bounds of the lore (you can still make clown characters though), but the faces in particular are just not good enough. FF could really use something like that, definitely in regards to BDO body customization. Faces, personally I like a set of preset face options you can heavily modify, along the lines of skyrim, mostly because I am not creative at all, and need something to start with.

They did? Thank God. I hope this game goes on for at least 8-10 more years with updates. If they could figure out how to nicely update the graphics, etc. that would be amazing. A new MMO would probably take at least 4-5 years to make properly, so we probably have at least 2 more expansions for this game.

[Lauront]

I'm not attempting to directly compare XIV to BDO as the games, although mmo's, are vastly different. The art style is also quite different. I also wasn't speaking about race options. It was more so the amount of options available, such as being able to select individual parts of a face and moving them around or using sliders to create that perfect face you may want. Of course some people have created horrendous looking characters that don't fit at all, but that's to the extreme. If we could ever get a reboot of sorts to FF, I'd like a similar customization system with less extremes.

In reference to this moba thing, could you link a reference? I've never heard that. Although they have just stated at Gamescon that there is no plans for any sequel currently.

Yes, it's from this interview:

Jeux Online: What do you think about the future of the MMORPG genre as whole? The 1st gen and 2nd gen MMORPG audiences have gotten older and the newer generation doesn’t seem that interested in MMOs. So, where do you think the future of MMO lies?

Naoki Yoshida: First and foremost, with Final Fantasy XIV, we do believe that this game is at the maybe tail-end of the 2nd generation of MMORPGs. I believe that World of Warcraft was sort of the start of that 2nd generation. Having that kind of strong content-driven MMOs defined the MMORPGs of that generation. With Final Fantasy XIV, I believe this is the newest game within that generation of MMORPGs, but I also feel that we are coming to the very late part of that 2nd generation. So, I feel that there probably won’t be another MMO that is similar to what has already come out.

Even if Final Fantasy XIV were to release further expansions, maybe 3 or 4 more expansions, we don’t believe that FFXIV would evolve into the 3rd generation of MMORPGs.

We would just continue to pursue and perfect what we have so that we aim to become the ultimate MMORPG within our current generation.

In terms of the 3rd generation of MMORPGs, I believe that we would need to have something design that is fundamentally different.

I think there is a very important element, a keyword almost. The younger generation is one thing, but even with those existing gamers that have become older, there is really not a difference between those two parties. Both types of people have become very busy and there are so many different forms of entertainment, a lot of smart devices being out and available and it is more difficult to carve the time to sit down and do content. Previously, we wouldn’t have to worry about it because there weren’t so much distractions that would take us away, we had the time to sit down and do this sort of time-consuming content. But nowadays, when you start playing a game, you might get an email, you might get a text message, friends might want you to go see the latest movie or go out for a drink ; there are so many different things and so much materialistic objects that can distract you.There are all vying for your time.

You may be aware that worldwide we’ve seen games of the MOBA genre or Battle Royale games becoming very popular, games that people can jump in whenever they want, have that sort of instant gratification, and then quit whenever they want. I think that’s a very attractive set-up for the modern gamer or any gamer in this current time basically. And we feel that for MMOs of the next generation, it is important that we capitalize on that. It is something that’s a key element.

We feel that those are very important elements to incorporate if we were to bring a game that moves us into the next generation of the genre. But if we were to divulge more details, I think we would be giving hints to our competitors on our company’s ideas so I think I’m gonna stop right there.

In a prior interview he had said he personally would prefer a more pure high fantasy aesthetic, which sort of got me optimistic... however, with this one it killed any hope of them releasing a brand new FF MMO along the lines of XIV, because this strongly hints at something very different.

Still, if (and a big one, at that) they really were able to get another 3-4 expansions out of it, or say even 2, that's quite some content, lasting anywhere between 4-8 years, and I can't see the game getting by at current sub levels without performing some updates to its character customisation.

[SturmChurro]

Still, if (and a big one, at that) they really were able to get another 3-4 expansions out of it, or say even 2, that's quite some content, lasting anywhere between 4-8 years, and I can't see the game getting by at current sub levels without performing some updates to its character customisation.

As is, I definitely see 2 expansions worth. Maybe 3. They can probably get away with 2 expansions without any big graphical updates. I'm more of the mind that the game itself will need a big quality update rather than characters. As much as people here may want a character update, they can probably get by as is for a long while - even indefinitely. At least to the level I assume you would want. At best I don't think they would do anything besides like new faces here and there, and updated texture quality - which I could couple with a game wide texture update.

Personally, I'd like to see a big texture/quality update by next expansion (or during).