Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[zeylos]

It Shouldn't be "If".

Just because some people got their wish come true with their race gender combination, doesn't invalidate the wants of those still Impatiently (me) waiting for the missing gender combinations. Is it fair that Hrothgar have to pay money for fantasia to change hair styles for the pitiful pool offered to them? No.


I, still am operating under the belief that due to Male Hrothgar, Female Viera were given the limitations of not being able to use existing hair styles, both earned in game and purchased through the mog station. All of this to make certain both races were as limited as possible & made with the least amount of effort and resources. After all, both races are nothing more than manipulated existing assets Viera being Midlander Hyur bodies and Hrothgar being Roegadyn bodies.

The majority of the work going to Hroth heads (of which i am vehemently not a fan of). My own feelings aside, We still need the Female Hrothgar just as much as we need Male Viera.

Personally, i don't really see a way Hroth can be fixed with out yet another mistaken half measure granting each "head" a few alternate "fur" styles. Where as Viera already have human shaped heads, as such, would require much less work to realize.

All of this extra work they gave themselves... I have to wonder if they foresaw this, all this head ache, and issue.

I think they probs did it so players would have soemthing to complain and they could show SE that if they dont fund them the game wont do well as they think, and to be able to do 2 full races over 2 expacs, instead of only 1 full one

[Theodric]

They should fix whats already here first. Once that is done and out of the way, if they did decide to add the other sex of each race, then sure.

Well, by that logic you should wait patiently for the original models to be tweaked and updated before Hrothgar and Viera are addressed. They came first, after all - and people have been asking for the issues with the older races to be fixed for far longer than Hrothgar and Viera have existed.

[wereotter]

Well, by that logic you should wait patiently for the original models to be tweaked and updated before Hrothgar and Viera are addressed. They came first, after all - and people have been asking for the issues with the older races to be fixed for far longer than Hrothgar and Viera have existed.

Also by this reasoning should wait for the other sexes to be added before addressing the concerns with the existing ones.... since this thread predates the requests to have hairstyles and hats on the viera and hrothgar fixed.

[reivaxe]

They should fix whats already here first. Once that is done and out of the way, if they did decide to add the other sex of each race, then sure.

I'm not happy with how Hrothgar have to pay to change manes and looking at what they did with Viera I couldn't care less about them and would prefer Female Hrothgar with the Hrothgar Mane non-sense 100%. But really, people must give up on the thought that these races are "unfinished" and need "fixing".

They never said Viera and Hrothgar would get all head gear, they simply arn't getting hats and helms. This was a design choice they accepted a long time ago when they decided to make something wholly unique to this game, YP said as much from the start. If they bring these races over to the NEXT MMO then I'm sure that wont be a problem but as it stands the Hrothgar having unique heads keeps them from Helms and the Viera having 4 different types of long knives coming out the top of their heads keeps them from having helms AND hats.

Hair wise they outright stated that Hrothgar are a unique race in this way and that their manes are a part of CC so we shouldn't expect them to ever make that different as that's by design. Viera not getting old hair has more to do with the fact that there's a small number of hairs that would work for them. Even when they said they would make old hairs for Viera they said that only "some (the ones that would work) would be given". Since then they changed it to being only new unique racial ones, so who knows. Personally I think they realized that the hand full of ones that "would work" are not the kind that would get people excited and would likely set an expectation for new hairs for all races to work when they may not intend on doing that.
Somehow some people got it in their head that Hrothgar are somehow to blame for Viera hair, no clue how that adds up.

So yeah, not a fan of how things are myself but as far as S-E is concerned they're not "broken" or unfinished, they're just unique headed races. Unique doesn't mean fair.

Not really a fan of people thinking that something they feel needs "fixing" should come before something new. This is what we got, coulda gotten something that was "fair" and far less unique ... but we didn't. Shouldn't let that stop you from wanting the counter parts ASAP.

[wereotter]

They never said Viera and Hrothgar would get all head gear, they simply arn't getting hats and helms. This was a design choice they accepted a long time ago when they decided to make something wholly unique to this game, YP said as much from the start. If they bring these races over to the NEXT MMO then I'm sure that wont be a problem but as it stands the Hrothgar having unique heads keeps them from Helms and the Viera having 4 different types of long knives coming out the top of their heads keeps them from having helms AND hats.

I'm not sure I believe that the ears are the resason that Viera can't wear hats.... I'm a miquote and also have ears sticking out the top of my head, and I can still wear hats.

[SturmChurro]

I'm not sure I believe that the ears are the resason that Viera can't wear hats.... I'm a miquote and also have ears sticking out the top of my head, and I can still wear hats.

The ears are the reason. Miqo'te ears are small, and on the sides of the head. Viera ears are large, and can become larger. They are also in the middle of the head. That isn't to mention the different shapes. To do headgear properly, without jarring clipping (as in, massive clipping - like so bad it covers most of the helmet on a certain ear type) they would have to presumably make unique models in mind of the ears and various ear shapes.

[Halivel]

The ears are the reason. Miqo'te ears are small, and on the sides of the head. Viera ears are large, and can become larger. They are also in the middle of the head. That isn't to mention the different shapes. To do headgear properly, without jarring clipping (as in, massive clipping - like so bad it covers most of the helmet on a certain ear type) they would have to presumably make unique models in mind of the ears and various ear shapes.

Miqo'te ears can be small, but they aren't less annoying modeling-wise for it.

Though it depends a lot on what kind of helmet they would like to do, if it's ever to be done, since there are 2 types of helmets for Miqo'te.

If it's a helmet with open ears, than it's not much of a problem since they only need to add holes in appropriate places. And since ears itself, no matter their shape, a placed in more or less the same area, this can be worked out well without too much of a hassle even.

Hovewer, if it's a helmet with closed ears - that's where the real issue begins since every helmet would ask for 4 models with sizeable ears in mind. Though frankly speaking, I could quess that players would be fine with having only open ears helmets, as long as it means that they can wear them at all. Not that I can say for sure, since people are different and can have different opinion on this matter.

P.S. Welcome back to Viera squad, I see?

[Sei_Konsetsu]

First, I am not against female hroth or male viera being added but this thread doesn't matter in the long run to them. We were never promised male viera or female Hrothgar, so anything asked after Male Hrothgar and female Viera is simply that, a want, not a need. We got female viera and male hrothgar, with promise that those two would be compleated at a later date, so that is why this should be done first before adding in Male viera/ Female Hroth. As for the other races, those WERE completed by SE standards and thus what ever added later to them is simply a want, not a need.

"Just because you want them now" is not the right call. If they finish hroth and viera now, then when ever they decide to add them, it will be a much smoother transition than adding them while the current reps are half assed.

[Senn]

this thread doesn't matter in the long run to them.

idk, it might matter

[Sei_Konsetsu]

Listen, i get you made the thread, and as i said, i dont mind either way if male viera is added or not, but lets not kid ourselves here. They have been radio silent on male viera/ female hrothgar pretty much since the races came out. Yes, this thread shows that people are interested, but despite how many pages are here, the amount of actual interested people are low. This thread has a handful of people whole valiantly praise and push male viera but will slap you down so hard if you even make a propose that isnt "gibe male viera now".

I feel like they will be added, but adding them before fixing whats already here would just add more to a problem that should be addressed. Male hroth and female viera should be treated to the same standards that the other races have, hairs that all races have access to Includeing store bought and unlocks, a decent amount of faces and access to helms. Once those are done, then male viera and female hroth should be added (if that is what they plan to do) and be up to those standards, THEN the rest of the races should be updated, along with hroth/viera to add all the things people say should be added to the character creator.