So, can we just ban damage meters already.

[Kaedan]

Ahh, yes - the Japanese playerbase with a website dedicated to blacklisting players who perform poorly.

Still a hell of a lot less toxic than many in NA. If you're a bad player in NA, you'll often get insulted and kicked. If you're a bad player in JP, and if the content can be cleared despite your bad playing, you'll just be tolerated and then blacklisted at the end of the instance without a word. Also, the tolerance level of "bad player" is much higher in JP servers. You have to be really, really bad and not listen to any advice at all/make the same mistakes repeatedly to get BL'd compared to NA servers where you'll be insulted kicked for something as simple as pulling single groups of mobs (aka not wall-pulling).

[Komarimono]

Still a hell of a lot less toxic than many in NA. If you're a bad player in NA, you'll often get insulted and kicked. If you're a bad player in JP, and if the content can be cleared despite your bad playing, you'll just be tolerated and then blacklisted at the end of the instance without a word. Also, the tolerance level of "bad player" is much higher in JP servers. You have to be really, really bad and not listen to any advice at all/make the same mistakes repeatedly to get BL'd compared to NA servers where you'll be insulted kicked for something as simple as pulling single groups of mobs (aka not wall-pulling).

I think it's pretty much even honestly. See more getting kicked on Durandal then see on Zalera. Older communities have less of a tolerance I feel then newer ones is all.

Prime example. Someone was removed from group on Durandal since they didn't have the level 70 Poetics gear and have it upgrade to iLevel 400. For the level 71 Shadowbringers dungeon.

[Kaedan]

I think it's pretty much even honestly. See more getting kicked on Durandal then see on Zalera. Older communities have less of a tolerance I feel then newer ones is all.

Prime example. Someone was removed from group on Durandal since they didn't have the level 70 Poetics gear and have it upgrade to iLevel 400. For the level 71 Shadowbringers dungeon.

Anything can be asserted based on anecdotes, unfortunately. There are always exceptions depending on server when you're speaking in general.

As for your example... what WAS said player wearing? (that matters more than the "standard" they were supposedly comparing to). And what other behavior contributed? Was there wipes? The player wasn't playing well?

Because I find it extremely hard to believe that they were kicked without a word or before a wipe just from someone randomly examining their gear (assuming the gear wasn't level 60 stuff or something).

I was forced to heal a tank in a level 70 dungeon who had level 60 GNB coffer gear (the 255 stuff). I put up with it because I could barely keep him alive, but I immediately blacklisted him afterward. No excuse for something like that.

[Komarimono]

Anything can be asserted based on anecdotes, unfortunately. There are always exceptions depending on server when you're speaking in general.

As for your example... what WAS said player wearing? (that matters more than the "standard" they were supposedly comparing to). And what other behavior contributed? Was there wipes? The player wasn't playing well?

Because I find it extremely hard to believe that they were kicked without a word or before a wipe just from someone randomly examining their gear (assuming the gear wasn't level 60 stuff or something).

I was forced to heal a tank in a level 70 dungeon who had level 60 GNB coffer gear (the 255 stuff). I put up with it because I could barely keep him alive, but I immediately blacklisted him afterward. No excuse for something like that.

They were wearing just the fresh level 70 Job gear, given at attaining level 70. Once the healer saw their low HP and only fresh 70 gear they did the boot. Simple as that, no questions asked, nothing spoken until after they were dismissed from group.

[Kaedan]

They were wearing just the fresh level 70 Job gear, given at attaining level 70. Once the healer saw their low HP and only fresh 70 gear they did the boot. Simple as that, no questions asked, nothing spoken until after they were dismissed from group.

Then that's actually quite understandable and what I'd normally expect. That isn't toxic and isn't harassment. If you're going into content meant for 385, then having 290/300 gear is very unacceptable.

And it actually does help to illustrate my point. In NA servers, the likely scenario would be some jerkish comment and maybe some arguing before the person is eventually kicked. In JP servers, they skip the toxic comments and just go straight to the kicking (or tolerating and then blacklisting depending on severity of the "crime").

[Komarimono]

Then that's actually quite understandable and what I'd normally expect. That isn't toxic and isn't harassment. If you're going into content meant for 385, then having 290/300 gear is very unacceptable.

And it actually does help to illustrate my point. In NA servers, the likely scenario would be some jerkish comment and maybe some arguing before the person is eventually kicked. In JP servers, they skip the toxic comments and just go straight to the kicking (or tolerating and then blacklisting depending on severity of the "crime").

I think you misunderstood. They went in with 385 gear. They had all fresh level 70 gear, which is that level. They didn't have the 395 Poetic gear, augmented to 400. And you're missing my point, it's the same, on any server, no matter the language. And I've seen it less on this NA Datacenter then I do my JP Datacenter.

You get the odd ones, like recently on Titania, people rage quit and left after dying many times, blaming tanks for not picking up adds in a phase where no adds exist, me being one of the tanks... And I had to remind them, there are no adds, it's about avoiding damage while doing damage for the entire phase. Once all 4 rage quit, and were replaced with people who could do the mechanics, cleared it for the people who needed it for MSQ.

But mostly, people stick it out and are friendly, but I believe it's due to my Data Center vs the other.

[Sebazy]

You.
Do.
Not.
Need.
Parsers.
To.
Better.
Yourself.

However, it could be fairly argued that you do need parsers to play at the sort of standard required to kill Savage within the first few weeks. Gordias' DPS checks still linger in the minds of those that used to raid back then.

[Driavna]

Still a hell of a lot less toxic than many in NA. If you're a bad player in NA, you'll often get insulted and kicked. If you're a bad player in JP, and if the content can be cleared despite your bad playing, you'll just be tolerated and then blacklisted at the end of the instance without a word. Also, the tolerance level of "bad player" is much higher in JP servers. You have to be really, really bad and not listen to any advice at all to get BL'd compared to NA serves where you'll be insulted kicked for something as simple as pulling single groups of mobs (aka not wall-pulling).

If someone insults another player and is reported the ban is 100% granted. With this I mind I really doubt the scenario is that common. Silent kicks, on the other hand, are probably more frequent. IMO if a party don't want me all i can do is to move on.

However, I will add this: when a player is repeatedly being kicked from parties is this person fault.