So, can we just ban damage meters already.

[whiteblade89]

Tip from a fellow PS4 player: you can get a wireless keyboard to use for chat. It's still a hassle to type and play with a controller, but it'll definitely help you interact more.

My apologies for your experience. There was a time when parsers weren't even spoken of outside of statics. But it really seemed to skyrocket during SB.

[Metalwrath]

Op the only time ive seen this is in savage or ex.Im sorry to hear in your data centre people do this in casual df content but the best thing you can do is screenshot the chat and report them.Its bannable offense so that should deal with the players.
Also removing damage metres wont stop people from being toxic.It's merely a tool toxic players use to be abusive.If they didnt have that they'd find some other ecuse to harrass players.It's not the damage metre caussing this.The intent already exists in those players.

It's also had advantages in gauging issues with job balance and likely without that feedback SE wouldnt have adressed some of the job issues that ahve existed over the years if players didnt know through that data.

[Imbrium]

/pats

Too be so innocent.

You dont group with randoms often, do you?

Not sure why I had two people both taking that out of its context, re: a lv70-80 player in a learning dungeon and why they probably don't need their parser if they are. But let me expand then. Most players that I know who parse for self improvement don't have ACT up at all times. They only have it up when they want to check their numbers for prog, or if they want to experiment with a new skill/spell speed tier. Most of my own raid group will start to slip on running ACT as we consistently clear savage fights to the point where there are weeks no one parsed a fight, and there are no logs shown. As they have these jobs well over the leveling dungeon requirement and can play them by heart, why would they need their parsers at low levels? They don't.

They certainly don't care what the other dps's numbers are, because if the run has taken 5-10 minutes longer than it should have you've already zero'd in on a player or two causing issues. It's been said in here that you don't need ACT to notice performance issues, and in some cases it's sad how easy that's true. No aoeing mobs? No healer dps? Tank is capable of large pulls but does 1-3? The brd is watching Netflix and auto attacking?? Someone is so under geared you want to cry? (I've seen this last one SO MANY TIMES in SB and have been seeing it in ShB more than I'd like!) The samurai/blm has dancer tether but has less aggro on a boss/trial fight than said dancer? The list goes on.

Royal this was specifically low lv content. I have been the person complaining in discord and linkshell chat about every other job in a df or pf group. I understand the frustration a lot of you are bringing in here, but it was mostly misplaced in this thread until it was derailed by the other posters and rerouted into 'why we need parsing:endgame and all your griping about fail players!'.

Low level content. Everyone kindly attempt to be decent human beings to learning players; it's not that hard of a concept. The ToS doesn't in any way prevent constructive advice, it's been mod checked. So the people lamenting on not being able to 'call out' people for their performance can talk to their group on how to improve, just don't be rude about it.

[Barraind]

I reckon a large part of players will be able to quickly determine the performance of a player just from looking at his rotation, buff/DoT uptimes, position, movement etc.

Yeah.

I dont need a parser to know if you're a potato.

Parsing helps a lot to see just how badly they're playing, but "WHO is awful" is easy to spot.

[Zarabeth]

I have to speak up here. OP you keep saying the community is so horrid and that's just not true for all of FFXIV. I know that I am on Leviathan and have very rarely run into people who won't let a new person learn. I'm disabled and have serious nerve damage in my arms that makes it hard for me to play and yet I still haven't run into these horrible people you are describing. Maybe you are just on the wrong server.

[Silvarion]

Good thing that I play in a Japanese server. Never seen people discussing damage meter in a duty even once.

[Enla]

Good thing that I play in a Japanese server. Never seen people discussing damage meter in a duty even once.

To be fair on that, the Japanese player base seems to be better about pulling their weight. You almost never hear 'you don't pay my sub' anecdotes coming from those clusters and a lot of Savage last tier was, from what I heard, puggable over there. Even up to the last tier.

[HWalsh]

To be fair on that, the Japanese player base seems to be better about pulling their weight. You almost never hear 'you don't pay my sub' anecdotes coming from those clusters and a lot of Savage last tier was, from what I heard, puggable over there. Even up to the last tier.

It is and isn't that.

Most Japanese players care about "the party" rather than personal progression. If a run takes 5 extra minutes then it's not a big deal. They are the best, most welcoming, playerbase I have ever seen.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

It is and isn't that.

Most Japanese players care about "the party" rather than personal progression. If a run takes 5 extra minutes then it's not a big deal. They are the best, most welcoming, playerbase I have ever seen.

Publicly maybe. They have their own elitisms. Shaming and blacklisting websites and the like.

[Hash_Browns]

It is and isn't that.

Most Japanese players care about "the party" rather than personal progression. If a run takes 5 extra minutes then it's not a big deal. They are the best, most welcoming, playerbase I have ever seen.

Ahh, yes - the Japanese playerbase with a website dedicated to blacklisting players who perform poorly.