I DON'T like Stormblood RDM

[Marianno]

@geekgirl101 so complaining about BLM being OP is not the way too go. It does not bring anything too the party LITERALLY NOTHING EXCEPT DAMAGE. If you have utility then there should be a tax for it. We can argue about how much but there should be a tax nonetheless. Your utility may not seem like it means anything but it does in the eyes of SE and a price has too be paid. BLM is exactly where it should be because now the performance of selfish DPS jobs have become all the more paramount. People will never be happy unless they delete selfish DPS jobs from the game and utility jobs should have the damage too outdo selfish DPS jobs plus buff the party. We have been down that road in SB...know what happened? Selfish DPS jobs were shelved.

[geekgirl101]

@geekgirl101 so complaining about BLM being OP is not the way too go. It does not bring anything too the party LITERALLY NOTHING EXCEPT DAMAGE. If you have utility then there should be a tax for it. We can argue about how much but there should be a tax nonetheless. Your utility may not seem like it means anything but it does in the eyes of SE and a price has too be paid. BLM is exactly where it should be because now the performance of selfish DPS jobs have become all the more paramount. People will never be happy unless they delete selfish DPS jobs from the game and utility jobs should have the damage too outdo selfish DPS jobs plus buff the party. We have been down that road in SB...know what happened? Selfish DPS jobs were shelved.

And now by your argument utility jobs are being shelved in favour of bringing selfish jobs just to avoid ever seeing the enrage. And yes, BLM is too OP by a huge amount and RDM has, like with NIN and SMN, literally become utter garbage!

[Marianno]

Odd because I still see people playing all the jobs even the weak ones. They even do quite well on them too. The only thing I think really needs to happen to RDM is buffs in potency. At the rate SE is going, I don’t think you’ll get anything super significant. RDM fits perfectly with melee and embolden. BLM DOES NOT. BLM is only called OP because it finally has the damage to be truly considered a selfish DPS job. HA! In SB selfish DPS jobs did not have the DPS to truly be considered selfish DPS jobs. BLM is where it should be. If you want to do big damage, play a selfish DPS job. Or better yet...give up your utility. Since the latter is likely too never happen, RDM will simply have too deal with being lower than BLM. You cannot have the best of both worlds. There must be a price somewhere and if it comes from being low in the damage totem then so be it. The fact of the matter is that RDM HAS UTILITY AND BLM HAS NOTHING. THERE ARE NO MAGICAL BUFFS IN THE GAME AND IF YOU NERF BLM, THEN WHAT GOOD IS IT? There are melee buffs galore in this game. IF BLM HAS NO UTILITY THEN IT NEEDS DAMAGE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO GIVE TOO THE party. Like it or not, RDM is not going to share it’s utility because SE is not going too let that happen. In one of the live letters, Yoshi-P laughed at the idea of being asked to give BLM a raise. Whether you want too believe it or not REZ is utility by SE standards and you are taxed accordingly for having even if it’s not used. Tearing down BLM will net you nothing.

[Wayfinder3]

Odd because I still see people playing all the jobs even the weak ones. They even do quite well on them too. The only thing I think really needs to happen to RDM is buffs in potency. At the rate SE is going, I don’t think you’ll get anything super significant. RDM fits perfectly with melee and embolden. BLM DOES NOT. BLM is only called OP because it finally has the damage to be truly considered a selfish DPS job. HA! In SB selfish DPS jobs did not have the DPS to truly be considered selfish DPS jobs. BLM is where it should be. If you want to do big damage, play a selfish DPS job. Or better yet...give up your utility. Since the latter is likely too never happen, RDM will simply have too deal with being lower than BLM. You cannot have the best of both worlds. There must be a price somewhere and if it comes from being low in the damage totem then so be it. The fact of the matter is that RDM HAS UTILITY AND BLM HAS NOTHING. THERE ARE NO MAGICAL BUFFS IN THE GAME AND IF YOU NERF BLM, THEN WHAT GOOD IS IT? There are melee buffs galore in this game. IF BLM HAS NO UTILITY THEN IT NEEDS DAMAGE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO GIVE TOO THE party. Like it or not, RDM is not going to share it’s utility because SE is not going too let that happen. In one of the live letters, Yoshi-P laughed at the idea of being asked to give BLM a raise. Whether you want too believe it or not REZ is utility by SE standards and you are taxed accordingly for having even if it’s not used. Tearing down BLM will net you nothing.

Just, go back and read all the page up to this point, they'll explain to you why what you're saying isn't true. Nobody here wants to tear down BLM, but are simply voicing our problems with RDM's performance and low contribution while disputing the onslaught of BLM that believe the caster balance is where it needs to be, even though BLM is 1600 dps higher than RDM on average in Eden gate savage. Thats twice as strong as it was in Alphascape where meta wise, BLM was still the meta pick alongside SMN. So in this instance, BLM just got way stronger than it needed to be and BLM players seem to forget that this is where they were when SMN was dominating. I suppose they're smelling their new found dominance too much to realize that the disparity between the 3 casters is ridiculous right now

[Marianno]

What am I saying that’s wrong/untrue? RDM has utility, the chances of RDM being able to share that utility is likely to never happen, and REZ is considered utility whether we like or not, by SE’s standards and is a matter of debate among other things. BLM has nothing too give to the party except damage. Why would you want too take that away from the job? What good will it be? RDM does deserve potency buffs but hoping for anything super significant I feel like is bad in a way. Do not misunderstand me, I want RDM to get the potency buffs it needs to be competitive but at the rate SE is going, things will not be super significant in my opinion. I think SE should have done more for RDM at the start of ShB but that didn’t happen. Tearing down BLM does not solve the problem. Again, it’s highly likely that RDM will never be able to give up or shed its utility so it will have to deal with being lower than BLM on the DPS totem pole. I don’t like that REZ is counted as utility and it should not be such a high tax...but it is.

[Kabooa]

Just, go back and read all the page up to this point, they'll explain to you why what you're saying isn't true. Nobody here wants to tear down BLM, but are simply voicing our problems with RDM's performance and low contribution while disputing the onslaught of BLM that believe the caster balance is where it needs to be, even though BLM is 1600 dps higher than RDM on average in Eden gate savage. Thats twice as strong as it was in Alphascape where meta wise, BLM was still the meta pick alongside SMN. So in this instance, BLM just got way stronger than it needed to be and BLM players seem to forget that this is where they were when SMN was dominating. I suppose they're smelling their new found dominance too much to realize that the disparity between the 3 casters is ridiculous right now

I have been giving this some thought.

Would fixing some of Red Mage's (and others) playability issues result in enough positive gain?

There seems to be a common thread that the jobs are facing some heavy alignment issues that prior could be justified with the fabled 120s alignment burst windows. My words, no one elses, but that's the conspiracy diagram I'm working on.

You have mentioned this for Red Mage, some have mentioned it for Bard, Ninja is a cavalcade of issues, so on and so forth.

For example, I know you mentioned that Melee windows are unreliable for the Red Mage and another has mentioned Embolden doesn't line up well. Do you think this following list would result in satisfactory positive results:

1. Mana Gauge extended to 160
2. Manafication is +50/+50 instead of 'doubles current'
3. Embolden is 10s of +10%, 60s cooldown, 2 charges. [This one being a straight numerical buff]

[Wayfinder3]

I have been giving this some thought.

Would fixing some of Red Mage's (and others) playability issues result in enough positive gain?

There seems to be a common thread that the jobs are facing some heavy alignment issues that prior could be justified with the fabled 120s alignment burst windows. My words, no one elses, but that's the conspiracy diagram I'm working on.

You have mentioned this for Red Mage, some have mentioned it for Bard, Ninja is a cavalcade of issues, so on and so forth.

For example, I know you mentioned that Melee windows are unreliable for the Red Mage and another has mentioned Embolden doesn't line up well. Do you think this following list would result in satisfactory positive results:

1. Mana Gauge extended to 160
2. Manafication is +50/+50 instead of 'doubles current'
3. Embolden is 10s of +10%, 60s cooldown, 2 charges. [This one being a straight numerical buff]

appreciate the attempt at compromise however this is alot more difficult to discuss and idk if those adjustments might be the way. What i do know, is that RDM and SMN would just need to have their overall contribution increased to warrant the gap between them and BLM. (RDM more so than SMN) QoL can take the form as full on buffs and some of what you're suggesting cross that line. Keep in mind, the idea isn't that BLM shouldn't be a heavy hitter and doesn't deserve it's place in high optimization, the problem is that BLM is just curb stomping RDM and bullying SMN so much, it's bleeding into the areas where they are supposed to be better. SMN already heavily invalidates RDM do to offering a bastardized version of it's primary utility, while filling it's short comings enough for players to prefer it progression and clears.

Tl;dr BLM just needs to share niches, it can't be a viable option in prog if thats RDMs only niche because SMN challenges RDM on that front. The same holds true for RDM, RDM can't be a viable option for high optimization groups because thats BLM niche and SMN already challenges it on that front. currently, RDM is playing by those rules and isn't seeing any success in high speed optimization where as BLM is being a bit greedy and dominating RDM in recorded progression runs. This is the core problem right now that BLM faced prior to their buffs in SB, and RDM faced until the same point in patch 4,4

[Marianno]

Give me your utility and we’ll call it even. This isn’t about smelling the dominance of anything. You want bigger numbers, give me your utility. As I stated before and I’ll say it again. This started when SE thought it was a good idea to give DPS jobs utility buffs to change how groups coordinate. Maybe making it so the buffs only affect the job who applies the buff and adjusting numbers from there.

[Wayfinder3]

Give me your utility and we’ll call it even. This isn’t about smelling the dominance of anything. You want bigger numbers, give me your utility. As I stated before and I’ll say it again. This started when SE thought it was a good idea to give DPS jobs utility buffs to change how groups coordinate. Maybe making it so the buffs only affect the job who applies the buff and adjusting numbers from there.

if you honestly believe the caster dps disparity right now is filled by Raises, Embolden, and Vercure or the Devotion. idk what to tell you. You value the utility way higher than the numbers point to. BLM is FAR stronger than RDM and SMN and, thats including the utility besides Raise and vercure. again BLM has 41% of all eden savage Titan caster clears while RDM has 20%. is that fair?

[Marianno]

No it isn’t fair but all I am trying too say is that whether we like or not SE consider those too be utility. Though I cannot presume too know how they are thinking. The thinking behind what they consider utility and the tax is clearly not correct by any standard. It is their thinking that things are okay as RDM was not mentioned in this past live letter. RDM needs too be brought up with potency buffs and maybe change how the mana accumulation works but not at the expense of another job. Not sure if I am expressing what I want too say correctly. But that is the gist of it.