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    Quote Originally Posted by CorbinDallas View Post
    Red Mage vs Summoner, for one. Red Mage is completely brain dead to play at an acceptable level, and nobody can change my mind on that. Compare it to Summoner, which has a rotation that is literally giving people hand cramps. Why should Red Mage do more damage than a Summoner? Give me one good reason.

    Red Mage does not do more damage than Summoner.


    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/29#dataset=99


    I've chosen the 99th percentile to eliminate the discrepancies between player skill levels. Whether it is raid DPS or adjusted DPS Summoner comes out on top of Red Mage.


    Edit: Also, in more general terms, the "X is relatively more complicated to play and therefore should do more DPS" is really an archaic design philosophy. To start: in no modern MMO is any spec "complex." There are just not enough buttons to justify such a stance. The game is more diverse and enjoyable if every spec is competitive, and not because spec X has a few more oGCDs to weave.
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    Last edited by Eli85; 08-17-2019 at 02:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eli85 View Post
    Red Mage does not do more damage than Summoner.
    that's what this topic is suggesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mistyregions View Post
    How would we differentiate the classes? Easy make every exact class have the exact theoretical dps limit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eli85 View Post
    Red Mage does not do more damage than Summoner.


    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/29#dataset=99


    I've chosen the 99th percentile to eliminate the discrepancies between player skill levels. Whether it is raid DPS or adjusted DPS Summoner comes out on top of Red Mage.


    Edit: Also, in more general terms, the "X is relatively more complicated to play and therefore should do more DPS" is really an archaic design philosophy. To start: in no modern MMO is any spec "complex." There are just not enough buttons to justify such a stance. The game is more diverse and enjoyable if every spec is competitive, and not because spec X has a few more oGCDs to weave.
    I never said it did, I'm talking in context of the OP's suggestion.
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