So, can we just ban damage meters already.

[Vidu]

Politely announcing you're new and asking for advice is fine. It isn't necessary in low level content, however, and most of the time it'll just be ignored. It does speak volumes about this community that this is where you place the responsibility for mitigating fights. I personally would just prefer veteran players not be uselessly condescending in low level content to new players, but whatever.

I think you know the kinds of veteran players I'm talking about; basically the kinds that insult new players for no serious reason. "Hi, I'm new" isn't going to be what magically turns them into good people.

It is also not necessary for the other people in the run to offer any advice or explantions to you - which you seemed to imply by saying "the ingame message should be enough".
And I dont place the responsibility with the new people, I'm merely pointing out that in my general experience in the game (and in life) you'll run into less fights and less trouble if you're the one getting ahead of it by being polite. I would prefer everyone to communicate in a friendly and polite manner with each other, veterans and newbies alike - that means: no harrassing, but also no "silently sitting around expecting the rest to cater to you".

And obviously this wont when you encounter real jerks - but it might just help when you meet someone whos just having a bad day (we're all allowed to have them) to prevent them from getting snarky and instead being more understanding and maybe even helpful.

[Goji1639]

It is also not necessary for the other people in the run to offer any advice or explantions to you - which you seemed to imply by saying "the ingame message should be enough".
And I dont place the responsibility with the new people, I'm merely pointing out that in my general experience in the game (and in life) you'll run into less fights and less trouble if you're the one getting ahead of it by being polite. I would prefer everyone to communicate in a friendly and polite manner with each other, veterans and newbies alike - that means: no harrassing, but also no "silently sitting around expecting the rest to cater to you".

And obviously this wont when you encounter real jerks - but it might just help when you meet someone whos just having a bad day (we're all allowed to have them) to prevent them from getting snarky and instead being more understanding and maybe even helpful.

I don't expect anyone to explain anything to me. I don't mind failing to mechanics and learning by doing, instead of reading some shorthand explanation. If the party gives a crap about me dying, though; well they got the warning that I was new when the dungeon started. They're free to make sure I'm up to speed if they really want to. Don't explain nothing then get pissy and condescending if I die, though.

[Vidu]

I don't expect anyone to explain anything to me. I don't mind failing to mechanics and learning by doing, instead of reading some shorthand explanation. If the party gives a crap about me dying, though; well they got the warning that I was new when the dungeon started. They're free to make sure I'm up to speed if they really want to. Don't explain nothing then get pissy and condescending if I die, though.

...the way you're reacting to my simple suggestion of just letting the party know at the start of the dungeon that you're new and would appriciate any advice makes me seriously wonder how well you would react to advice given to you ingame - and wether or not people really tol you that you sucked or if they merely stated that you werent playing very well.

I'd also like to remind you that they dont know that you are new. They know that a character is new - could be any of the other 3 people, could be an alt, could be someone who looked up a guide or someone who would rather not have time wasted by explantions for simple bossfights. I've met all of those people, some being upset and annoyed that someone would even attempt to explain a fight. So offering explantions isnt exactl the go-to move, at least not for me.
If no one says anything, I'll assume and expect that people know what they're doing - if they dont wan need explantions or leeway, they should speak up. Its the polite and sensible thing to do. And not that difficult either...

[Goji1639]

...the way you're reacting to my simple suggestion of just letting the party know at the start of the dungeon that you're new and would appriciate any advice makes me seriously wonder how well you would react to advice given to you ingame - and wether or not people really tol you that you sucked or if they merely stated that you werent playing very well.

I'd also like to remind you that they dont know that you are new. They know that a character is new - could be any of the other 3 people, could be an alt, could be someone who looked up a guide or someone who would rather not have time wasted by explantions for simple bossfights. I've met all of those people, some being upset and annoyed that someone would even attempt to explain a fight. So offering explantions isnt exactl the go-to move, at least not for me.
If no one says anything, I'll assume and expect that people know what they're doing - if they dont wan need explantions or leeway, they should speak up. Its the polite and sensible thing to do. And not that difficult either...

Right, sometimes people don't want an explanation or help, so they won't ask. Sometimes a party doesn't want to explain things, so they don't.

If the party cares about new players dying then they should offer an explanation. If the new person doesn't ask for an explanation and dies then so be it. Where in this scenario is it necessary or acceptable to be condescending to the new person? Is it because he didn't ask for help, even though he may have wanted to go in blind, or because he may be on PS4 and not familiar with macros?

You're approaching this conversation like I'm calling out people who politely offer help. It's been clear as day in my OP and my other posts that those aren't the people that make parsers a problem.

Edit: At my daily post limit I guess.

You shouldnt be harrassed - but seriously, the attitude you're displaying here doesnt help your case.
"I'm new and only care about the story and everyone should magically know that because I refuse to communicate with them" is setting yourself up for failure and wont win you much sympathy.

This is mostly just crap you've made up, and you act like it justifies harassment. Honestly, so what if the new player didn't ask for help; he may not have even wanted it. That's a not a valid point. And honestly, if the content is still EASILY clearable, who cares if they're under-performing? Again, just another flimsy justification for harassing people.

You say it's not right to harass people, but in the same breath throw all these flimsy rationalizations trying to fault the new player for the crappy way many of them are treated. It's dumb.

Also, just to sum up, I'm not really surprised that most of the responses are just people finding ways to justify harassment and blaming the new players for any harassment they receive. After all, not saying "I'm new" at the start of a dungeon is clearly asking for it. The attitude here is disappointingly exactly what I expected. I can tell this community is going to be a lot of fun going forward. Can't wait.

[Vidu]

Right, sometimes people don't want an explanation or help, so they won't ask. Sometimes a part doesn't want to explain things, so they don't.

If the party cares about new players dying then they should offer an explanation. If the new person doesn't ask for an explanation and dies then so be it. Where in this scenario is it necessary or acceptable to be condescending to the new person? Is it because he didn't ask for help, even though he may have wanted to go in blind, or because he may be on PS4 and not familiar with macros?

You're approaching this conversation like I'm calling out people who politely offer help. It's been clear as day in my OP and my other posts that those aren't the people that make parsers a problem.

When did I say that its acceptable to be condescending? I explicitly said that it isnt - I'm merely pointing out that one way you can avoid situations like this is by speaking up yourself instead of waiting for someone else to say something.

And, again: You dont need a parser to call someone out, specially not someone whos lying dead on the ground because they failed a mechanic.

You get "new player in the party" bonus rewards for anything you run.

No, you dont. You only get that reward if someone is actually new, which isnt always the case for the daily roulettes since those are also used by people leveling alt-characters, running them for loot etc.

In addition to that: The "someone is new"-message is easy enough to miss; a little note in party-chat less so.

[Vidu]

This is mostly just crap you've made up, and you act like it justifies harassment. Honestly, so what if the new player didn't ask for help; he may not have even wanted it. That's a not a valid point. And honestly, if the content is still EASILY clearable, who cares if they're under-performing? Again, just another flimsy justification for harassing people.

You say it's not right to harass people, but in the same breath throw all these flimsy rationalizations trying to fault the new player for the crappy way many of them are treated. It's dumb.

If a new played doesnt want help, I'll expect them to contribute to the teams effort in a reasonable manner, yes.
So yes, I do care if someone is under-performing even in easly cleared content because hes doing so on the back of the other party-members in said content and thats not okay with me. Not in a team based game like this. Not even if you dont care about the team based aspect of it because you only care about the story - you bought the whole package and have to deal with the whole package, including the team aspect. And that means to respect your team members by making sure to perform appropriatly to your level, aswell as communicating with them.
I'm not faulting the new player in general, I'm faulting the new player who has a mindset like I described - "I'm new, only care about story, I wont talk to you and you dont pay my sub!"
That player still shouldnt get harrassed and you should report any harrassment and the GMs will deal with it.

But at the same time the underlying issue of under-performing might have a true core, even if its presented in a bad and bannable way and it wouldnt be such a bad idea to work on such an underlying core of bad performance and bad attitude to prevent future problems.

You know... there is a crosswalk near my home and you obviously would expect cars to stop so a pedestrian can cross the street safely. Once in a while a car doesnt stop and after I was nearly run over once (sadly I was so confused that I didnt took down the plate or else I would have reported it) I make extra sure to signal that I want to cross and wait for the cars to stop before stepping on the street. I'm trying to do everything I can on my part to make sure I can cross this street safely - even though I shouldnt have to be extra careful and probably dont have to be in 90% of the cases.
But my point is: I rather go that little extra mile there than deal with any bad aftermath - specially if the extra mile is something simple as waiting for 5 seconds at a cross walk or saying "Hey, I'm new and would welcome any help!" in a chat. Being humble rarely hurts and often benefits, thats all I'm saying.

[Vnolan]

I can tell this community is going to be a lot of fun going forward. Can't wait.

The forum is only used by a small percentage of players.

You said something the hive mind doesn't approve of. That's a prime chance for you to get lectured and talked down to for fake internet points.

You already received an answer (report it and let the GMs handle it). You can continue to debate with other players, but you won't be changing any minds. Not worth it.