Is it me or has the community gotten worse...

[Shougun]

Personally I just think it's a matter of popularity and time.

And on the WoW / FFXIV thing - my experience with WoW during the very early Vanilla years was quite good, everyone was very nice and when we wiped and had to do much longer corpse runs than in FFXIV it was all hunky dory. So in comparison to old WoW to current FFXIV I might say FFXIV seems a bit more impatient and quick to anger/frustrate, but those are two differently timed memories in comparison.. not really fair.

So then you consider the more popular something is the more negative experiences you'll have (a hallway filled with 10 people 1 bad and 9 good, vs 10 bad 90 good, and now you have 9 more bad experiences than before) and that it's human nature to remember the bad experiences more. That this, I think, can create an effect where the players who just don't want to deal with those negative experiences begin to shy away from the public area more than they would have normally (but are still there)... likely helping those negative experiences be even more memorable and frequent. A sort of runaway bystander apathy effect lol, attempting to remove one's self from the negative situation and also being apathetic when confronted with one.

On top of that most MMORPGs become faster and faster leading to greater impatience, which I'm not really opposed to - I like the rolling mountain FFXIV (and other mmos) use where old content gets "nerfed" in terms of grind and how hardcore you have to be to complete, I don't have as much time as I had when I used to play FFXI in highschool.. I can't do that now. So I have nothing wrong with party content going to a state of solo-ability over a long enough period of time, with no exception but ultimate content, just that the change will lead to a different behavior when someone isn't "quick" in some of the more either outspoken or emotionally done people (emotionally done like: long day at work, only have 1 hour to play the whole week - don't have time to deal with "x", not everyone impatient is because they're naturally impatient person~).

I don't think WoW has a uniquely evil community or worse at least in the sense that what it has would likely, I feel, generate a similar response out of the same people here if they were given similar mechanics and environments. Such as the stronger emphasis on PvP (of some servers), and the MASSIVE popularity that you might have a certain experience. Such I think if you dug into the culture and met the people outside of the surface I then feel WoW isn't much worse or better. I noted strong PvP on some servers because an open pvp, rp, and regular pvp server can create quite different environments (sometimes).

To me it's that sort of "X" people of a culture are more polite and nicer because their mannerism includes lots of sorrys, honorifics, do or do not burp, or what have you, something I don't really agree with as to me that doesn't mean much because it's part of the auto-pilot. If you do it just because you're told and not because you mean it.. then I don't really feel like the person themselves is "more" anything and just running off someone else's coding. To me (lol) then it doesn't mean you're more polite, like if you learn another language after knowing one with built in honorifics and now going to one without (that doesn't mean you're suddenly less polite, I think), and so the environment of mmorpg (popularity, type of content) I believe makes the communities fairly similar. At least in a sort of person to person level, telling someone they've got lettuce on their teeth in one culture is a favor and in another culture horrible manners. I suppose I should say I don't think everything is exactly "the same/equal", just that often times I think people take credit for their circumstantial environments (/auto-coding) and are not as good or bad as they think.

tl;dr I guess I think the community is pretty similar and most of the shift of perspective could be seen as an increase in player base (more popular).

[RareItems]

Love how whenever this topic comes up that people are till using raiders as the scapegoat for toxicity. Let's come back to reality here.

Reality is, Most if not all of the toxicity/Elitism in this game comes from the Current Raiding community and the ones who put Mentor Crowns on their names. Where else will you find Toxicity and Elitism in this game xD.

[Alucard135]

Reality is, Most if not all of the toxicity/Elitism in this game comes from the Current Raiding community and the ones who put Mentor Crowns on their names. Where else will you find Toxicity and Elitism in this game xD.

Ever met angry sprouts that scream "don't tell me how to play!" when they're struggling in dungeons?

[Nims]

The most toxic people I come across in this game are the lore, non raiding, “YOURE PLAYING THE GAME WRONG IF YOU SKIP CUTSCENES” people.

It doesn’t surprise me though, in other mmos these are the PvE only people and they’re usually extremely toxic there too.

[Nedkel]

I dont think you understand FFlogs, the number out the end will almost always be a reflection of your skill unless a healer let you die or something whack like that, also a few bad logs wont take away from the fact it will always show you your best run on your page as well as your average. Also with the new rdps ranking its hard to pad your logs now, so they are a much more accurate reflection of your skill

I dont think you got what i really mean.
ACT does register everything and fflogs is analysing it, but there are still variables which are affecting your skill like playing at night, or chatting with friends during the duty, or explaining mechanics, ping, real life disturbances, internet failures etc.
And there are people who are nit picking their parses so they make sure to upload only good ones, increasing the average skill level on the site. If you upload everything you could and your friends does it too, there is no way in hell that you will be able to score 90%+ in average performance, this does affect your numbers on this site.

The tool is accurate itself, but the data collected by it could be interpreted in many ways.
The moment you let people to criticize others because of their page on fflogs, its the moment where you let them analyse the data in the unprofessional way, causing a lot of drama between players.
Its bad and always will be bad, majority does not deserve to be able to judge others over their numbers on a site.

Btw, causing drama in the duty does decrease players efficiency, one is discouraged to do well, other is raging and missclicks and others are reading and argue too. In the end no one is gaining anything, it will just increase the time spent in duty.

[NessaWyvern]

This is absolutely not true. FFXIV has always been a very pleasant community. I have played WoW in the past it it was a rotten cesspool. People treat each other like garbage over there. I will just keep reporting them if they cross the line.

I dunno, I remember when Titan HM came out for the Relic, and before the latency fix, I got hit by a landslide. I was told that it wasn't my ping (I am from NZ, so I had double bad ping), that I was just bad, that I needed to uninstall the game and kill myself. That was the most toxic point of the game for me, and that was back in 2013, iirc. I haven't met anyone nearly as toxic as that since, and I used to play the feast when the chat was still on

[mario710]

I said I thought Alisae was hot and got crucified.

I’m steering clear of the hive-mind.

[Shurrikhan]

Been this way since ARR's release, mate. At worst, it's just that the faults we find in others are much more likely to be objectively present rather than an errant suspicion.

[Alucard135]

I said I thought Alisae was hot and got crucified.

I’m steering clear of the hive-mind.

You said you wanted to do some nasty things to Alisaie as well. That's why mods deleted your thread. Don't leave out important information lol.

[NessaWyvern]

I said I thought Alisae was hot and got crucified.

I’m steering clear of the hive-mind.

You said you wanted adolescent models in the game, and that you wished you could date Alisae, despite describing yourself as someone well into adulthood. No wonder the "hive-mind" didn't like it, it's pretty creepy.