Do you shame people for their choice of materia melds?

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Honestly...hearing this is just so hilarious to me personally because both I and one of my FC mates (one of the best Tanks I've ever seen, and I've been playing since beta) meld Tenacity and tank end-game content together flawlessly. We've even had many of our groupmates commend us on our performance...so hearing that people are trying to shame Tanks who meld Tenacity in particular is honestly embarrassing. Honestly, if the reason a group is failing DPS checks is due to Tanks not having the pitiful amount of extra Dmg melding crit/dh give, then there is a huge problem in that group that needs to be identified. Tanks shouldn't be relied upon to that extent to save DPS checks. The extra mitigation that Tenacity gives isn't mind-blowing, but it's so valuable imo because even if it's just by a fraction, it still helps Tanks in their primary role: protecting their group. And this will always come first to me.

These shamers pose as the Elite, but their blindness will ensure they stay mediocre.

The irony here is that the person you're quoting tried to use outdated data/videos to show how Tenacity is superior, and still when that was pointed out and newer data was shown, they continued their point. They also were the first flaming and calling other people toxic. There was no "Raiders shaming casuals".

Also reiterating the main point: the extra mitigation you get from Tenacity doesn't save you from mistakes and it doesn't save the healers any GCDs, they still will have to use the same number of casts to heal the tank.

[RareItems]

The irony here is that the person you're quoting tried to use outdated data/videos to show how Tenacity is superior, and still when that was pointed out and newer data was shown, they continued their point. They also were the first flaming and calling other people toxic. There was no "Raiders shaming casuals".

Also reiterating the main point: the extra mitigation you get from Tenacity doesn't save you from mistakes and it doesn't save the healers any GCDs, they still will have to use the same number of casts to heal the tank.

Funny, i did the exact same pull i did in The Twinning today, while using a Pentamelded Ilvl450 Crafted gear with Direct Hit melds, and died 3 times. The pull was before the 2nd boss and after the 2nd boss. The White mage couldnt keep me alive against 2 packs of mobs. After i died the 3rd time i swapped to my Tenacity set and i didnt even drop down below 100k HP.

The problem with the Raider's thinking is, they don't realize, Direct Hit melds only work if your queuing up with geared ppl who know what they're doing. Also, most ppl don't parse, so they don't care about Tank's DPS. What they do care thou, is the tank being tanky, so the healer can DPS instead of spamming Adloquim/Cure II on the tank.

Yes, we get it, you guys raid and are stuck with Direct Hit for your melds, but stop saying Tenacity is a useless stat and blaming the healers when you die from a 2 pack pull on the Twinning.

The Dev's should change Direct Hit so its doesn't affect Tank jobs to make it easier for them to figure that out.

[Taika]

Funny, i did the exact same pull i did in The Twinning today, while using a Pentamelded Ilvl450 Crafted gear with Direct Hit melds, and died 3 times. The pull was before the 2nd boss and after the 2nd boss. The White mage couldnt keep me alive against 2 packs of mobs. After i died the 3rd time i swapped to my Tenacity set and i didnt even drop down below 100k HP.

If things were as you're trying to make them out to be, tanks wouldn't be able to do wall-to-wall pulls in these dungeons in unmelded AF gear while healers in similar gear are DPSing their heart out. If you're having trouble with surviving these pulls, the issue is most definitely somewhere else than your melds (or lack thereof).

[RareItems]

If things were as you're trying to make them out to be, tanks wouldn't be able to do wall-to-wall pulls in these dungeons in unmelded AF gear while healers in similar gear are DPSing their heart out. If you're having trouble with surviving these pulls, the issue is most definitely somewhere else than your melds (or lack thereof).

Did you just assume ilvl430 unmelded tanks don't wipe on The Twinning? Maybe if you actually solo queued you would know lol. As for the OP's thread "Do ppl shame others for their materia melds", we found one Shamer right here lol.

It clearly proves Tenacity melds is the best for solo queue casual content for Tanks. Casual content being 95% of the entire content in the game lol. It gives you room to adjust and support your team instead of just being a 3rd DPS, because that's basically what a Direct Hit Melded Tank is, a 3rd DPS.


Like in Overwatch. Direct Hit melded Tanks are like a Reinhardt that doesn't use his Shield, just uses his hammer to kill the enemy team leaving his teammates up for grabs to the enemy team. Tenacity Tanks are more like a Rein that holds his shield up when needed and swings his hammer when necessary.

[MariaArvana]

Did you just assume ilvl430 unmelded tanks don't wipe on The Twinning? Maybe if you actually solo queued you would know lol. As for the OP's thread "Do ppl shame others for their materia melds", we found one Shamer right here lol.

It clearly proves Tenacity melds is the best for solo queue casual content for Tanks. Casual content being 95% of the entire content in the game lol. It gives you room to adjust and support your team instead of just being a 3rd DPS, because that's basically what a Direct Hit Melded Tank is, a 3rd DPS.

I wonder how my BF ever did those wall-to-wall pulls back on release in the Twinning & Akademia in his 430 AF & misc <430 accessories with our healer friend getting extremely high uptime with his dps spells...oh wait.
You could be ilvl 450 or ilvl 430, wall-to-wall pulls come down to the combined experience of both the healer and the tank. My bf & I do expert roulette daily, he's fully DH melded; and he wall-to-wall pulls every time, and across several weeks we've never gotten a DF healer that couldn't handle it when they got a tank that actually knew how to use CDs properly.

If you're dying on wall-to-wall pulls in the Twinning, either your tank or your healer is lacking, and some Tenacity wouldn't be helping you (considering the difference between full Ten and not full Ten is like 5-8%).

Player skill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> melds every single day. If you're not attempting savage Tenacity is fine, but it's not gonna substitute for actual mitigation skill.

[RareItems]

My bf & I do expert roulette daily, he's fully DH melded;

Your statement negates your comment because your running it with someone you know. If you actually read the statement you just replied to you would be able to see the word "If you actually Solo queued".

Lets be honest here, there's only 1 spot on Expert Roullete where you could possibly die from a pull and its the 2nd pull before the 2nd boss on the Twinning. Those 2 mobs that casts Berserk on themselves plus the 9 other mobs whaling at you, it doesnt matter if you ilvl470, if your healer is new, or your DPS is new or lagging, There is a ALWAYS a chance you could die. Your chances of dying is higher if you use Direct Hit for very obvious reasons.

Hence, that is why Tenacity is better for casual content for players who usually solo queue. If you do roulletes with FC members on a daily basis, it doesn't matter if your using Piety on your tank melds. Nobody cares and nobody will say anything lol.

Again, Please read before responding. If your Boyfriend raids, then that's his excuse for having Direct Hit on his gear. But please don't try to push Direct Hit on everyone else.

You don't even need Direct Hit even if your raiding. There's a guy on the last 2 pages that said he has full tenacity melds and is clearing savage Eden just fine. All your doing is making those 2 Healers heal harder while expecting them to DPS as well.

[Gwenorai]

Your statement negates your comment because your running it with someone you know. If you actually read the statement you just replied to you would be able to see the word "If you actually Solo queued".

Lets be honest here, there's only 1 spot on Expert Roullete where you could possibly die from a pull and its the 2nd pull before the 2nd boss on the Twinning. Those 2 mobs that casts Berserk on themselves plus the 9 other mobs whaling at you, it doesnt matter if you ilvl470, if your healer is new, or your DPS is new or lagging, There is a ALWAYS a chance you could die. Your chances of dying is higher if you use Direct Hit for very obvious reasons.

Hence, that is why Tenacity is better for casual content for players who usually solo queue. If you do roulletes with FC members on a daily basis, it doesn't matter if your using Piety on your tank melds. Nobody cares and nobody will say anything lol.

Again, Please read before responding. If your Boyfriend raids, then that's his excuse for having Direct Hit on his gear. But please don't try to push Direct Hit on everyone else.

You don't even need Direct Hit even if your raiding. There's a guy on the last 2 pages that said he has full tenacity melds and is clearing savage Eden just fine. All your doing is making those 2 Healers heal harder while expecting them to DPS as well.

No, you don't need it - but it's good to have. Like how BRDs melds are crit > dh > det. If you're maxed on crit, you go to dh - that's how you make the most out of your melds. if I see a MCH/BRD with sks - I'm going to laugh but I'm not going to say anything, just going to OOOF because that doesn't seem comfy with that clipping. If you're not raiding, crafting/gathering end game then you don't need to meld and no one expects your gear to be melded. If you are raiding people expect you to have the most beneficial melds in your gear. What's so difficult to comprehend. Also, lol, tenacity is a good to have for tanks who are progressing in raid, most like to have sks, dh, det and then tenacity, however, and people who meld this also clear without a problem - first week.

People have cleared without overmelds, and the basic of melds in place. Skill beats melds.

[MariaArvana]

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"Did you just assume ilvl430 unmelded tanks don't wipe on The Twinning? Maybe if you actually solo queued you would know lol."

I was simply responding to this. My bf solo queued all the time on release since I was a slowpoke that liked watching him stream and he never had issues with DF healers then either. You give DF healers too little credit, especially when they're paired with a tank that knows what they're doing. Even though I queue with him nowadays, the fact is, we're still getting DF healers, one half of the integral part to making wall-to-wall pulls work and never have issues either.

It clearly proves Tenacity melds is the best for solo queue casual content for Tanks. Casual content being 95% of the entire content in the game lol. It gives you room to adjust and support your team instead of just being a 3rd DPS, because that's basically what a Direct Hit Melded Tank is, a 3rd DPS.

Learning to min-max your mitigation is clearly the best option for solo queue casual content for Tanks to make TEN even more more unnecessary.

[Rivxkobe]

Funny, i did the exact same pull i did in The Twinning today, while using a Pentamelded Ilvl450 Crafted gear with Direct Hit melds, and died 3 times. The pull was before the 2nd boss and after the 2nd boss. The White mage couldnt keep me alive against 2 packs of mobs. After i died the 3rd time i swapped to my Tenacity set and i didnt even drop down below 100k HP.

Lmao.

Sounds more like you and the WHM were bad and the WHM decided they needed to throw everything at you to keep you alive.

I've run Twinning as Tank without materia, at around ilvl 440, and have done these pulls without dying.

Surprise! You are wrong.

Edit: Also full Tenacity melds is, like, 5% damage reduction and 5% reduction doesn't really... work the way you've described.

[RareItems]

Lmao.

Sounds more like you and the WHM were bad and the WHM decided they needed to throw everything at you to keep you alive.

I've run Twinning as Tank without materia, at around ilvl 440, and have done these pulls without dying.

Surprise! You are wrong.

Imagine being so hung up on Direct Hit melds that you would browse the forums and replay to a post made 2 days ago, bragging like you never died while solo queuing as a Tank before on Expert Roullete lol. So sad really xD.