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    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    And yet there are clear distinct differences between illegal drugs and video games. You found some points of commonality between two things and you're using that as an excuse to call video games "drugs", but that is still nonsense. You can link coffee and drugs and claim they activate the very same processes and brain interconnections with several kind of drugs, but it will 1.- Still come off as nonsense if you call Starbucks a drug dealer.

    You are making the 2.- Grave mistake of equating a lifestyle to suicide. How one chooses to live their life is completely antithetical to ending it. 3.- If you believe playing video games are a form of suicide, then that is because of your subjective viewpoints on what living life is.

    By a different subjective measure, it can be said that those who engage in forms of entertainment have a zest for life. I'm afraid your not being very objective when it comes to the topic of video games and other people's lifestyle choices.

    I support people seeking happiness regardless of employment or education status. You call it passive suicide, I call it life.
    1.- Actually don't, it is a drug and in case it makes the person unable to have proper social interactions, a healthy lifestyle and/or care for their mental health in general. Then again caffeine addicts exist and caffeine is an actual drug. Legalized or Illegal doesn't change the fact that they are drugs and prolonged, out of control and socially endanring drugs can be both legal and illegal. It doesn't matter if its videogames, trans-fat or cocaine, addiction acts the same on the social behavior of the person and it's brain functions.

    2.- You are making the grave mistake of confusing any lifestyle with a healthy lifestyle. You might fool yourself to think that being morbidly obese or spend all your life in a room playing video games is a HEALTHY lifestyle, it isn't. Period.

    3.- Stop twisting words btw. I said that a person that already suffers from mental illness is in a dire situation if it's supported on their conditioned behaviors to keep an unhealthy lifestyle of social isolation. Then again, you keep on saying that im saying that videogames are causing these issues when i've said like 5, six with this, that videogames are not the cause, they are just like really bad to them, in general.

    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    Nobody asked for the perspective of "healthy biosocial development".
    People that think human life, quality of life, and a proper mental health are important do care.
    Ask any psychiatrist or psychologist about the idea of mentally ill person spending +10 hours without social interaction (basic human contact) and if its a valid "lifestyle". Valid, probably. Healthy? Come on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau View Post
    1.- Actually don't, it is a drug and in case it makes the person unable to have proper social interactions, a healthy lifestyle and/or care for their mental health in general. Then again caffeine addicts exist and caffeine is an actual drug. Legalized or Illegal doesn't change the fact that they are drugs and prolonged, out of control and socially endanring drugs can be both legal and illegal. It doesn't matter if its videogames, trans-fat or cocaine, addiction acts the same on the social behavior of the person and it's brain functions.
    And do you go around calling Starbucks a drug dealer then?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau View Post
    You are just supporting a passive form of suicide.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau View Post
    Specially the point about NEETs, need more info, check the documental "Love Child" for example, a clear documentary on the pandemic that is videogame addiction in South Korea and by extension countries like japan and other developing countries.
    And my grade thesis was a bit about psychology of gamers in relationship with learning processes and yes, found a lot of evidence for a subportion of the subjects (NEETs mostly) which presented several psychological disorders that were only reinforced by their exposition to videogames, MMORPGs and MMOs in general being the most recurrent "drug".
    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau View Post
    2.- You are making the grave mistake of confusing any lifestyle with a healthy lifestyle. You might fool yourself to think that being morbidly obese or spend all your life in a room playing video games is a HEALTHY lifestyle, it isn't. Period.
    You are moving the goalposts here. Not living a healthy lifestyle and "passive suicide" are not remotely the same thing. I'm sure me being a non-vegetarian is not as healthy a lifestyle as a vegetarian, but if you were to call eating meat "passive suicide" then that would be ridiculous hyperbole. No one needs to be shamed for not living a "healthy lifestyle", especially if it compromises a person's happiness. Implying that NEETs are unhealthy junkies is extremely disrespectful and it appears to be me that you are doing video game addicts more harm than good with your excessive exaggerations and personal bias'.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau View Post
    But you cannot justify social/reality escapism, let alone when that escapism is something that is supporting said unhealthy society in the first place (operational conditioning for mass consumption of goods and media - Videogame addicts.)
    I can and I will. Escapism is not a crime, it is not morally wrong, and it is not for you to decide that it can or cannot be supported. It's your subjective opinion that society is unhealthy.


    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau View Post
    Im talking about teenagers or NEET adults that can spend well over +10 hours daily. That is particularly unhealthy for people with already diagnosed psychological or psychiatric sickness. Last thing you want a person with depression do is to spend his whole life in a room watching a monitor not interacting with anyone.
    No, the last thing you want to happen to a person with depression is to take what little happiness they have away from them. What's paramount to a person with depression is happiness, not health.
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