Can we talk about how mnk, drg, and blm are blatantly overpowered right now?

[Siccoroa]

Can we talk about how monk, dragoon, black mage, and, to a lesser extent, samurai are overpowered right now?

Currently i think that smn, mch, nin, brd, rdm, and dnc are all well balanced number wise, no matter which of those you choose to play they all bring roughly the same raid dps. The difference in dps between smn, the highest dps, and dnc, the lowest dps, is less than 300 raid dps.

For comparison, sam does 500 more raid dps than smn. Drg does 900 more raid dps than smn. Blm does 1000 more raid dps than smn. Mnk does a whopping 1200 more raid dps than smn.

In my opinion it would be much better for the balance of the game if every dps brought roughly the same amount of raid dps.

Source for dps numbers: https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...unt&dataset=90

Edit: Explanation for raid DPS vs personal dps

The site in question uses "rDPS" to mean [personal DPS contribution + indirect/party DPS contribution - indirect/party DPS contribution received from others], i.e. the damage you bring to the raid, not just the damage contribution you generate through the raid.

[TaiyouSeishin]

Can we talk about how monk, dragoon, black mage, and, to a lesser extent, samurai are overpowered right now?

Currently i think that smn, mch, nin, brd, rdm, and dnc are all well balanced number wise, no matter which of those you choose to play they all bring roughly the same raid dps. The difference in dps between smn, the highest dps, and dnc, the lowest dps, is less than 300 raid dps.

For comparison, sam does 500 more raid dps than smn. Drg does 900 more raid dps than smn. Blm does 1000 more raid dps than smn. Mnk does a whopping 1200 more raid dps than smn.

In my opinion it would be much better for the balance of the game if every dps brought roughly the same amount of raid dps.

Source for dps numbers: https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...unt&dataset=90

Dps differences between pure dpsers and those with utility is around their actual dps, not their rdps. Rdps is the addition of contribution. Sam is underpowered, and monk got too big of a buff (some of it was needed)

You dont want to balance around rdps specifically tho you need to take it into an account, for instance nin was behind dragoon by 1.5 ish and their TA didnt even make up the difference.

As for wanting the same rdps... you dont want that. Thatll make any dps utility redundant, as dps utilities are meant to be worked with (not apply and forget about it like pugs do) why have extra work for the same damage? You want pdps to change according to utility, but depending on that utility needs to scale according to its purpose.

Honesty SAM got shafted here, monk got top strong, and honestly smn and rdm need to be brought up

[Dnc]

Before I say anything, I don't know if MNK dps warrants that big of a difference, and maybe it could be toned down a bit? But...

Monk is one of the jobs I feel like should always be at the top end of the charts. Simply because its a pure melee job, and its rotation is one of the busiest with positionals in pretty much every weaponskill. That coupled with having to manage Greased Lightning at all times. That's a boatload of button presses to be made to be optimal. And yes, I'm counting the WASD key presses. It would be a disservice towards monk if someone else did as much dps with less effort.

[Kabooa]

Sure.

Just get rid of every single utility every job brings outside the role menu.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Job DPS is determined by raid utility and difficulty. SMN and Nin needs to be brought up badly. As for the rest, don't be surprised that your RDM isn't doing SAM level DPS when it's the easiest job in the game.

[TaiyouSeishin]

NIN is nullifying its own utility to the point where TA is practically a nonfactor. (Even with top dps comp itll only provide somewhere around 1000 rdps, and this does not make up for where its lacking compared to its counterparts even WITHOUT their utilities)

Most SMN amd rdm are so tired of being slapped in the face over their rez they want it gone. There is a point when the raise is useless and the dps checks and enrage timers are not being met. So they want at least some more damage.

The ranged tax is heavier in this one than in other games, and if ppl agree with it fine, but considering mch is the most pure dps of the 3, it should be higher... imo

[TaiyouSeishin]

Also, monk does have utility, SAM is the pure dps in this case

[Jaywalker]

BLM does a lot of damage but our cast times are poo and we are incredibly squishy.

Try playing BLM on Eden's Titan. We need the high DPS to show why we are worth having because it is very easy to either die or lose cast opportunities to dodging.

[Kabooa]

NIN is nullifying its own utility to the point where TA is practically a nonfactor. (Even with top dps comp itll only provide somewhere around 1000 rdps, and this does not make up for where its lacking compared to its counterparts even WITHOUT their utilities)

Most SMN amd rdm are so tired of being slapped in the face over their rez they want it gone. There is a point when the raise is useless and the dps checks and enrage timers are not being met. So they want at least some more damage.

The ranged tax is heavier in this one than in other games, and if ppl agree with it fine, but considering mch is the most pure dps of the 3, it should be higher... imo

If you're hitting the enrage, the first place to look is in the mirror.

Since they want to link 90th percentile, just take the bottom 4 and add two tanks and healers to it.

72,000, which beats Eden, Void, and Leviathan for certain.

[TaiyouSeishin]

If you're hitting the enrage, the first place to look is in the mirror.

Since they want to link 90th percentile, just take the bottom 4 and add two tanks and healers to it.

72,000, which beats Eden, Void, and Leviathan for certain.

You are talking by pdps right? Because those rpds number wont be reached with the bottom 4, considering the bottom 4 have ninja and dancer in it, and their rdps wont scale as high without any high pdps there