Vote Kick griefing

[Kaethra]

Guys, dealing Damage as a Healer is NOT a requirement to NOT be kicked in a group. If you are a Elitist and you want to get through a Dungeon in record time, go in premade. If you need a random healer, deal with the random healer.

Nah. We're just going to pick a new healer from the queue.

Like I said, decision has been made. You can't change our minds. You can beg, plead, threaten, or even bribe but it won't change the fact we're going to dismiss these healers. Just a fact now. Its happening. I've gotten about four of them since this thread started. Probably get a few more this weekend.

If you want to be the 'light' in the darkness, make a PF listing that takes these healers in yourself. Because if they end up in our groups, they're getting dismissed. You can make personal attacks, calling people elitist, calling them rude, calling them bullies. It doesn't matter.

At the end of the day, you don't get a say in our decisions. That's for us to do. You can step aside.

[Mikhaill]

Per SE, "playstyle differences" is a valid reason to kick someone from a group. At least half of the group thought you were a problem, so off you went.

So it took them all up until the final boss for them to decide he wasn't good enough?
There is either more he's not telling us (which is likely) or they abused it and probably gonna be punished for it.
Two sides here and all.

[Riblet]

So it took them all up until the final boss for them to decide he wasn't good enough?
There is either more he's not telling us (which is likely) or they abused it and probably gonna be punished for it.
Two sides here and all.

Well, you can't kick at the start of the dungeon, and I believe you can't kick while loot in being rolled on. So if you Kill a boss, don't roll on the loot, get to the 2nd chest after the 2nd and 3rd boss, the loot from those needs to be rolled on. So maybe just before the final boss was then the loot timers finally ran out. Just a thought, as i've seen trolls / griefers like to use loot vote kick immunity in 24 mans on occasion.

[Sub-Xero]

An official but vague policy. Followed to the letter, you could even report people saying Hello to you because you felt offended by it.

Not to mention reality doesn't seem to reflect policy. People still keep kicking for differences in playstyle. People aren't getting punished for it.

From the policy:

"・Improper expulsion voting

This means excluding another person by manipulation of expulsion voting.


・Intentional leaving or disconnection

This means obstructing another person's game play by intentionally leaving the game or disconnecting from the server."

So I can't kick the terribles out and I'm not allowed to leave to avoid the them? But this causes me great emotional distress and thus they are harassing me with their terribleness. I think we should report SE for stupid, contradictory policies.

[Nedkel]

Well, you can't kick at the start of the dungeon, and I believe you can't kick while loot in being rolled on. So if you Kill a boss, don't roll on the loot, get to the 2nd chest after the 2nd and 3rd boss, the loot from those needs to be rolled on. So maybe just before the final boss was then the loot timers finally ran out. Just a thought, as i've seen trolls / griefers like to use loot vote kick immunity in 24 mans on occasion.

If the run is going so great that, there is no spare time between each chest for rewards timer to wear off, then i dont see the problem here.

Some guys are getting wow-crazy about others performance.
Like, how much are they going to save if they kick the healer, if they are able to run from boss to boss in reasonable amount of time? Healer class is in demand it takes at least 3-4 minutes to find one willing to join dungeon in progress.
This kind of behaviour is petty, is lame, and people who do that should get a break from the game.

[Vnolan]

If the "playstyle differences" was really a valid reason, the devs would have put it into the options when using the vote kick system a long time ago

They probably don't want it being used any more than necessary. I mentioned that kicks rarely go through, but that's because there are many players that think using in that way can get them in trouble. If they added it as an option, it would be see more use and it would have invalid uses to go with it (kicking because of race, etc.)

Also tip to OP, just don't roll on items until the end of the dungeon or until the last few secs of the roll ( or when in combat with last boss )

Being unable to remove a player at a given moment due to combat or loot does not remove the option to do it for the entire run and only delays it.

Also why would it "look really really bad to a GM" no one are breaking any rules by not rolling on the item right away.

Vote kick on basis of not rolling on items? What if I don't want any of the items and simply don't bother to even check them - even less to press any buttons for them.

We simply will not engage if we suspect someone trying to avoid being dismissed for what they know to be shady actions worth dismissal over.

A DPS can't pull mobs ahead of the tank after being told not to and evade a kick by not rolling on loot or entering combat.

Now I know whom to vote-kick by default. People like you - even if I'm a tank or healer.

Kicking a DPS that doesn't AoE and by extension healers or tanks that don't do their jobs - bad
Kicking someone because of what they said on an internet forum - good
Stay classy, Official Forum

The party can kick you for whatever reason they want.

You can only kick for reasons that affect gameplay. You can't kick for job, race, glamour, name, to get loot, to invite a friend or to grief, among other reasons. Whether the GMs will punish for those reasons is another story. (Before someone brings up jobs affecting gameplay, it's impossible to have every job in your party. If you could kick based on job, there would no such thing as vote-kick abuse as you could just say you wanted whichever jobs weren't in the party at that time.)

... How is Kicking someone before a final boss not considered "Preventing them from completing content"?

If the person to be dismissed prevented you from kicking earlier.

From the policy:
・Intentional leaving or disconnection

This means obstructing another person's game play by intentionally leaving the game or disconnecting from the server."

So I can't kick the terribles out and I'm not allowed to leave to avoid the them?

You can leave, but only by using the option to do it, not by closing the game or disconnecting from the internet.

[EaMett]

Encounters are NOT balanced around healer "dps", and the devs have stated this before. One could make a case for first-week savage clears (still not balanced around it. this is solely a player-base thing), but even that's pushing it.

This is a little inaccurate. Encounters are designed around no healer dps when at gear level for that encounter (not min ilvl) and with most likely above average players. It was simply impossible to clear titan (and probably others) week 1 without healer dps. Even if you took the best parsed players (100 percentile) and put them in the same group and they all did a 100 percentile run at the same time you would still be short some.

The required gear for healer dps not to be required would be full tomestone gear with whatever augmentation and eden items you can unlock for that floor (from previous floors). And again, above average players and no deaths. In the real world this means healers need to dps for a while.

It usually goes like this: your party isn’t skilled enough to clear without healer dps? Then they clearly need healer dps. Your party is skilled enough to not need any healer dps? Then they will most likely expect you to play on their level of skill and want you to dps.
As far as savage is concerned there usually isn’t much room for no dps healers until much later in the tier (and in practice it usually only works out because at least one of the two healers is dpsing)

With that said. One shouldnt grieve other players. And on anything other than savage/ultimate it’s ridiculous to get upset with a healer for not doing dps. There could be any number of reasons why this would happen and none are kick worthy, especially not at the last boss.

[hynaku]

I got kick after waiting 30 minutes in queue because server decided to kick me and then make me wait in queue for 5 minutes with queue of 4. That's not fair they kick you when wasn't your fault. Now have to start long time waiting again in another queue for dungeon you was in.

[Miracle_Diva]

I got kick after waiting 30 minutes in queue because server decided to kick me and then make me wait in queue for 5 minutes with queue of 4. That's not fair they kick you when wasn't your fault. Now have to start long time waiting again in another queue for dungeon you was in.

But how do they know if you just dc'd because of server issues or your connection problems? Maybe your connection is going to be restored in few hours? Should they wait too?
You can only kick 5m after duty started. They waited for you, you didn't come back, they replaced you with someone else.

[spf1200]

Kicking for difference in play style is not a valid reason to report someone. Just move on