In-depth analysis of the housing situation.

[GU099]

Readily available housing system for everyone, for sprouts and veterans alike. A form of instanced housing which is on par with houses in districts/wards in terms of utility and aesthetics, to serve as a starter house to welcome everyone.

While you're at it, let's give everyone access to all the special raid armor and weapons and all the relic weapons and other weapons from eureka or the long zodiac weapon quests etc purchasable from the calamity salvager NPC. You know because everyone deserves it right from the start right? We paid for the game so we're entitled to have all those things aren't we?

So easy for everyone to fight for change for the thing they want, but forget about the feelings of players for other things which you care less about. In the end, most of the people on here voicing how dissatisfied they are about housing and the system and demand change only want change convenient for their immediate desire in the now. It does not serve to truly benefit others in the long run.

[Illy_Peridot]

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except in the real world, price changes in the flint housing crisis were caused by the undesirability to live there because, you know, the water was basically poisoned. keep digging your heels in on using a real world tragedy to further your game goals though? they cut the prices on the houses overall because at the time it was too expensive for a lot of people - and i do agree that upping the price on houses would do a lot to make it a harder to obtain goal, thus making them less easy to get.

you're failing to point out how you owning 20+ plots is doing anything to help alleviate the issue with housing in this game - you and all the other small sets trying to take over wards, honestly. and how does checking the houses you own do anything to prove you're utilizing the facilities like the workshop? gardening is easy to check, decorating is also easy to check - and from what i hear, your houses tend to be empty or filled with mannequins named 'go away' or something like that, so way to be welcoming to the people.

do you even know what the tragedy of the commons is? my post was coherent, and you're just blowing smoke in the air because you seem to dig the drama you're creating with this problem.

While you're at it, let's give everyone access to all the special raid armor and weapons and all the relic weapons and other weapons from eureka or the long zodiac weapon quests etc purchasable from the calamity salvager NPC. You know because everyone deserves it right from the start right? We paid for the game so we're entitled to have all those things aren't we?

except in those cases people have earned them and can obtain them immediately. with housing it ends up being... "ah, i have the money and resources to buy the house, i did the quests to unlock them and reached the gc rank. now i can't get them immediately." so, you're kinda making a bad point there.

[official_coconut]

I'm genuinely confused how someone flaunting that they have 20 houses is not breaking some kind of rule. That is all.

[Edax]

Grab your pikes and your torches boys, it’s time to kill those fat cats!!!

/sarcasm
Well you literally asked for it.

[GU099]

except in the real world, price changes in the flint housing crisis were caused by the undesirability to live there because, you know, the water was basically poisoned. keep digging your heels in on using a real world tragedy to further your game goals though? they cut the prices on the houses overall because at the time it was too expensive for a lot of people - and i do agree that upping the price on houses would do a lot to make it a harder to obtain goal, thus making them less easy to get.

you're failing to point out how you owning 20+ plots is doing anything to help alleviate the issue with housing in this game - you and all the other small sets trying to take over wards, honestly. and how does checking the houses you own do anything to prove you're utilizing the facilities like the workshop? gardening is easy to check, decorating is also easy to check - and from what i hear, your houses tend to be empty or filled with mannequins named 'go away' or something like that, so way to be welcoming to the people.

do you even know what the tragedy of the commons is? my post was coherent, and you're just blowing smoke in the air because you seem to dig the drama you're creating with this problem.


except in those cases people have earned them and can obtain them immediately. with housing it ends up being... "ah, i have the money and resources to buy the house, i did the quests to unlock them and reached the gc rank. now i can't get them immediately." so, you're kinda making a bad point there.

You have to earn that money just as you have to earn your shiny weapons. The length I go for earning money and buying houses is the way you view clearing every single raid on the hardest difficulty and acquiring every last glowing goodness there is to show off. We just care about different things. But players can choose to challenge themselves in the way they want, and I choose to do so by having a neighborhood of houses. The only problem is the achievement I'm after is a limited resource while the other stuff is unlimited. Nothing I can do about that, I get what I want and I go whatever length necessary. Wouldn't you say the same about the things you pursue?

[Naizakane]

None of what you've said so far has justified you owning 20+ houses and trying to find one person to sell all of them off to, you infinite clown machine.

[Taebok]

While you're at it, let's give everyone access to all the special raid armor and weapons and all the relic weapons and other weapons from eureka or the long zodiac weapon quests etc purchasable from the calamity salvager NPC. You know because everyone deserves it right from the start right? We paid for the game so we're entitled to have all those things aren't we?

Way to compare apples to bricks.
Good job.

[CP2833787]

Way to compare apples to bricks.
Good job.

It's the "Slippery slope" fallacy. Basically if your defending something that is indefensible start screaming about handouts. I see it all the time on various news media outlets and usually on far right forums. It is only designed to make the opposition go on the defensive. ex. "Now that's not what we want. We want this..." Then time is wasted explaining something to a troll, who is already aware but wants to see his opponents waste their time.

[Illy_Peridot]

You have to earn that money just as you have to earn your shiny weapons. The length I go for earning money and buying houses is the way you view clearing every single raid on the hardest difficulty and acquiring every last glowing goodness there is to show off. We just care about different things. But players can choose to challenge themselves in the way they want, and I choose to do so by having a neighborhood of houses. The only problem is the achievement I'm after is a limited resource while the other stuff is unlimited. Nothing I can do about that, I get what I want and I go whatever length necessary. Wouldn't you say the same about the things you pursue?

You're still failing to address my point of any other grind having an immediate payoff once you hit the requirements for it. You're also just causing a tragedy of the commons, and this sort of behavior would get you blacklisted by everyone on NA if we had the mindset players in JP did to people like you and OP. All other achievements in this game are things that are obtained immediately as you hit them, while housing is locked behind the whims of the playerbase. Your goals are inherently selfish in what is a cooperative MMO experience.

[Illy_Peridot]

Sorry for doubleposting, but since OP keeps trying to claim people aren’t fully reading their post, here’s my take on it:

First, why dark matter prices as a reference? Dark matter is a gear repair catalyst & requires a leveled DoH. Prices are based on the matter’s tier. What’s the inflation relation? Mender prices don’t matter; they repair gear based on a combo of how damaged & what ilvl it is (if it inflated each patch, new players would pay higher amounts to repair early gear than they did when I started, & that’s not the case). Further, this inflation would need to be reflected in GC seals needed to buy the matter, which has remained stagnant.

Can we trust your chart on FCs with & without housing? You said blue included RMT-based FCs, & there are a lot of those in existence (banning accounts doesn’t cause the characters & the FCs they’re in to be deleted). Later on you say you inflated the graph with 100 extra FCs/world, so you’re altering numbers & I don’t consider this as valid data.

Regardless of your numbers, the houses you & other hoarders have are ones that could potentially go to FCs. It doesn’t matter if it’s 1 or 100 that want a house - we can’t know the number, but even checking on my world I can regularly see people in homeless FCs camping plots. Every house claimed by a multi-owner is one less on the market for others, who could use functions tied to FC housing - like on-demand access to Diadem for gathering, airship/sub voyages for rare items, crossbreeding gardens (which grows Thav Onions, required for choco leveling).

Data from ffxivcensus is flawed: no player-run census is accurate to numbers the devs have, so those should be tossed out, especially with year+ old data you’re using for RIGHT NOW with high sub numbers according to devs.

We agree that personal & FC housing using the same resources is bad. Making wards FC only would eliminate this problem entirely - except it wouldn’t, because you & all the other house hoarders wouldn’t give up your current stash. At least there wouldn’t be competition against personals.

Of course items go up in price as they are added in while fresh. New items tend to = higher ilvl, hence costing more! You think a piece of i200 gear would cost the same as a lvl1 starter? Actual example: remember Thavnairian Bustiers going for millions because of the rarity when released? Prices dropped lower as more people got them, then as they & the mats required to make them became common; a contrast to your inflation. Even tome gear lowers in cost thanks to deflation & removal of tomes over time.

You don’t counter RMT with gil sinks, it just encourages RMT - as people run out of gil, they buy more.

I agree increasing prices would do many favors to fixing this, as most wouldn’t be willing to drop over 100mil on a personal large; some wouldn’t even wanna buy a personal medium at those prices, but that still isn’t a completely viable solution with RMT on the table.