Lack of End Game Content

[Kaylessa]

Endgame content is activity you do for endgame. So it's endgame activity, but it's not endgame content? And I didn't say Sastasha itself was endgame content, but indirectly it becomes endgame content due to how FFXIV does its endgame activity.

This is why your definition for endgame from other MMORPG doesn't work when applied to FFXIV as is without recognizing how the game works.

An endgame activity is something to be performed at endgame, or only at max level. Endgame content is material in the game to be consumed only at max level. You can do an endgame activity by consuming leveling content. An endgame dungeon is both an activity and content, the dungeon is the content and the activity is you running through it. An endgame raid is similar. Collecting tomes is an activity you can do by running old content.

You can collect tomes at endgame as an endgame activity, that does not mean running through Sastasha is endgame content. Which it is not. Indirectly or directly.

The definition of endgame for MMOs applies for ALL MMOs, FFXIV included.

EDIT: The ridiculous thing is how in depth we have to get for something that is really just common sense. Unfortunately someone wants more endgame content and people on this forum direct them toward ... Sastasha and leveling alts. Wonderful.

[linay]

I'll say it and dont care if i get crucified for it....end game in ffxiv is a JOKE and if u truly believe otherwise you are delusional...period

Don't be so dramatic, lol.

You can do an endgame activity by consuming leveling content.

And at that point, you are making that content an endgame content for the duration of that activity.

Unfortunately someone wants more endgame content and people on this forum direct them toward ... Sastasha and leveling alts. Wonderful.

All he had to do was post this as an opening:

Since i'll try and be constructive here and make some suggestions
- 5-6 Savages instead of 4
- A developed Eureka, not the lazy fate spaming/light farming we've been given
- Meaningful Open World Content / Redesign Hunt System
- Challenging 4 Man Content
- Challenging Solo Content
- Dungeons which are actually difficult

[Kaylessa]

And at that point, you are making that content an endgame content for the duration of that activity.

No. Material able to be consumed before max level is not endgame content. Sastasha is never endgame content. You are performing an endgame activity while running leveling content.

[linay]

You are performing an endgame activity while running leveling content.

Content is not just material. It is activity and associated reward. By your definition, someone can be at endgame doing an endgame activity and getting rewarded with endgame reward without doing a single endgame content. That's ridiculous.

[Kaylessa]

Content is not just material. It is activity and associated reward. By your definition, someone can be at endgame doing an endgame activity and getting rewarded with endgame reward without doing a single endgame content. That's ridiculous.

Show me the definition which says content is an activity. You won't find one, I can assure you of that.

Someone can be at endgame doing an endgame activity and getting an endgame reward without engaging in endgame content, that is correct.

[SaberMaxwell]

Blind progged Eden Savage 1-4 in a cumulative 35 hours of prog give or take. Week 1 killer. Of those 35 hours, over 20 of them were on e4s alone. Take that for what you will.

Personally speaking I think 4 raid bosses followed by an Ultimate 3 months later is a good formula. Savage is your means to an end and Ultimate is that end. The 3 months is to give everyone time to prepare and get their best in slot gear ready for Ultimate. I'm not against expanding how many fights we get per Savage tier itself, but I'm also not opposed to the four-boss structure as that gives us 5 bosses every half year.

[linay]

Show me the definition which says content is an activity. You won't find one, I can assure you of that. Content as a verb only means to satisfy someone.

Someone can be at endgame doing an endgame activity and getting an endgame reward without engaging in endgame content, that is correct.

Content is also a noun that can mean "the things that are held or included in something" or "the amount of a particular constituent occurring in a substance." It means something that is inside or part of something. When you think of raid as a piece of content, it includes the enemies, the mechanics, the zone, the reward structure, the music, party composition, how to unlock it, how to perform it, etc. Everything that is a part of that piece of content.

Content as a verb to satisfy someone is not even relevant to this discussion. Unless you think it's something that satisfy you at max level. In that case, someone, somewhere could be satisfied slowly farming max level current tomestone via leveling roulette. /shrug

[Kaylessa]

Content is also a noun that can mean "the things that are held or included in something" or "the amount of a particular constituent occurring in a substance." It means something that is inside or part of something.

That is correct. Now apply the modifier "endgame" to content and you get "max level things that are included in something". The reward you get is the max level content, farming that reward is the max level activity, running Sastasha doesn't fit the definition of "max level things that are included in FFXIV" and so that is not endgame content.

[linay]

That is correct. Now apply the modifier "endgame" to content and you get "max level things that are included in something". The reward you get is the max level content, farming that reward is the max level activity, running Sastasha doesn't fit the definition of "max level things that are included in FFXIV" and so that is not endgame content.

The reward you get is not the whole max level content. It is also the activity associated with getting that reward.

If someone asks you what is there to do at max level, you can tell them to do raid to get raid gear or to do roulettes (or other means) to get max level tomestones for tomestone gear which can be further upgraded. Those are alternative endgame content for people to do at max level in terms of gear progression.

[Kaylessa]

The reward you get is not the whole max level content. It is also the activity associated with getting that reward.

If someone asks you what is there to do at max level, you can tell them to do raid to get raid gear or to do roulettes (or other means) to get max level tomestones for tomestone gear which can be further upgraded. Those are alternative endgame content for people to do at max level in terms of gear progression.

If someone asks you "what is there to do" they are not specifying "endgame content". The definition of activity is "a thing someone does" which means they are actually asking for endgame activities.

Show me the definition which says content is an activity.