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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dyvid View Post
    Should have made Verthunder II, Verblizzard and VerAero II, Verwater
    Yeah, that was honestly what I was hoping for the most in SHb. I held my breath too long too for Verwater and Verblizzard lol.

    However, on a positive note, I was glad we did get some AoE's, because Scatter spam was a bit dull, but SE had a big missed opportunity with its AoE rotation. Again, I just would like a reason behind why not, why be afraid to add Verwater / Verblizzard? Come on! I mean, Y`Shtola's Water of the Seven looks so awesome, something along those lines would have been so neat to see! Is it really that bad to give RDM, that uses both sides of Black / White, a water and ice spell?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatronasCharm View Post
    I mean, Y`Shtola's Water of the Seven looks so awesome, something along those lines would have been so neat to see!
    To my knowledge, no such spell exists in her arsenal. In fact outside of Dissidia (where she has a damaging version of Fluid Aura), the only water-aspected skill she has is Spiritual Ray, which uses all three CNJ elements.

    EDIT: Ah nvm, just learned she uses all six elements in Trusts.
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    Last edited by Archwizard; 08-07-2019 at 01:10 PM.

  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archwizard View Post
    To my knowledge, no such spell exists in her arsenal. In fact outside of Dissidia (where she has a damaging version of Fluid Aura), the only water-aspected skill she has is Spiritual Ray, which uses all three CNJ elements.

    EDIT: Ah nvm, just learned she uses all six elements in Trusts.
    Yeah I always use her in my Trust party’s as she’s so awesome! But that move there looks so incredible, heck it could work as Verflood
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatronasCharm View Post
    /snip

    Y`Shtola's Water of the Seven looks so awesome, something along those lines would have been so neat to see! Is it really that bad to give RDM, that uses both sides of Black / White, a water and ice spell?
    Yeah, I'm kinda jealous no job have that kind of spells.
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  5. #45
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    So I just unlocked this job and everyone says it's super easy but I just don't get it. Can someone please explain to me like I'm an idiot, because I am one, how this job works at level 50?

    Do you just spam Jolt to fish for Dualcast procs into Veraero/Verthunder? Because that's the only way I've managed to keep the meter balance but it feels wrong somehow.
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    Last edited by Ayuhra; 08-08-2019 at 11:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayuhra View Post
    So I just unlocked this job and everyone says it's super easy but I just don't get it. Can someone please explain to me like I'm an idiot, because I am one, how this job works at level 50?

    Do you just spam Jolt to fish for Dualcast procs into Veraero/Verthunder? Because that's the only way I've managed to keep the meter balance but it feels wrong somehow.
    Dualcast works on all spell casts it is not a proc. Anyways, you use Jolt, Verstone, Verfire, as your ST "starters" for your Veraero and Verthunder which both have a cast time equal to 2 GCDs. Veroaero and Verthunder are the ones to give you procs for Verstone and Verfire respectively.

    Your goal is to get yourself to 80/80 mana and keep them in balance. So a typical way to do that is to Jolt>Veroaero>Verstone>Verthunder>Verfire>Veroaero. If any procs fail to happen then you reset to Jolt and then go to whichever side has the least amount of mana and cast its respective spell.

    Once you are at 80/80 you use Corps-a-Corps to get into melee range to perform the 123 melee combo Riposte>Zwerchhau>Redoublement and then Displacement to leap away. Later on you will get Engagement which you use in place of Displacement when operating in situations where you cannot leap away because of the consequences. Then you go back into the spellcasting ST rotation.

    For AoE situations you Veraero II/Verthunder II>Impact. Once you get to 100/100 you then Corps-a-Corps in and spam Moulinet till you run out of mana and then restart.

    Later on for the ST you get Verholy and Verflare which come after the melee combo. If due to proc failures you have an uneven amount of mana then you pick the one that is of the lesser of the two sides. If both are equal then choose whichever one you like the animation of better. At 80 you will gain Scorch which is cast after Verholy/Verflare.
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  7. #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayuhra View Post
    So I just unlocked this job and everyone says it's super easy but I just don't get it. Can someone please explain to me like I'm an idiot, because I am one, how this job works at level 50?
    As TankHunter explained, Dualcast is not a proc; it will always activate off of any non-instant spell you cast regardless of cast time, and make your next spell instant regardless of cast time if it wasn't instant already. (So it won't make two spells instant in a row, but it will go cast->instant->cast->instant, etc.)
    This means you could theoretically cast a spell with a short cast time to gain Dualcast, then burn that on a spell with an otherwise 8-second cast such that the latter becomes instant, just like using Swiftcast.

    In the simplest manner possible though:

    You've got three main types of attacks: Shortcasts, Longcasts, and Melee.

    Longcasts are strong spells but have a cast time longer than your 2.5-second global cooldown, like Verthunder, Veraero and (in AoE) Scatter.

    Shortcasts are non-instant spells with 2-second cast times that are on the weaker side, like Jolt, Verfire, Verstone and (in AoE) "Ver- II" spells. Generally you want to use Verfire/stone over Jolt any time they're available since they're significantly stronger, but they only proc from your Longcasts, so you'll usually be using Jolt as a starter.

    Like you've clued into, the goal is for you to use the Shortcasts to activate your Dualcast trait, and then burn Dualcast to instantly fire off a Longcast spell in quick succession. "Jolt-> insta-Verthunder-> Jolt-> insta-Veraero" is a basic form.
    Weave your off-GCD skills (like Fleche and Acceleration) after your instant casts for bonus damage, so that you keep them on cooldown.

    Alternate between spells that will generate different Mana types in your Balance Gauge so that you build them at a near-even rate, and once you have at least 80 of each type of Mana at once you can use your melee combo, which is the most burst damage you'll do.
    You'll probably also want to play with using Corps-a-corps and Displacement to transition into and out of your melee combo, respectively.
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    Last edited by Archwizard; 08-08-2019 at 04:47 PM.

  8. #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archwizard View Post
    Alternate between spells that will generate different Mana types in your Balance Gauge so that you build them at a near-even rate, and once you have at least 80 of each type of Mana at once you can use your melee combo, which is the most burst damage you'll do.
    You'll probably also want to play with using Corps-a-corps and Displacement to transition into and out of your melee combo, respectively.
    I'll piggyback on this too; I've noticed Proc's for Verstone / Verfire occur more often when alternating between the two [could be superstition though lol] Verfire >> Veraero >> Verstone >> Verthunder; it doesn't happen 100% of the time, but to me it happens more often.

    Just don't forget Acceleration / or Swiftcast, because those two really do help increase mana generation.
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    They could have used those two for the new AOEs rather than reusing wind/thunder, no idea why they didn't. I'm not a fan of adding yet more buttons for button's sake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatronasCharm View Post
    I'll piggyback on this too; I've noticed Proc's for Verstone / Verfire occur more often when alternating between the two [could be superstition though lol] Verfire >> Veraero >> Verstone >> Verthunder; it doesn't happen 100% of the time, but to me it happens more often.

    Just don't forget Acceleration / or Swiftcast, because those two really do help increase mana generation.
    It's 50% regardless
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