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    Crushnight's Avatar
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    Jets Down
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    I'm starting to wonder if they're running out of FF jobs to draw from. Maybe they could further refine the soul crystals so you can split Samurai into a specialization like Sekiseigumi (whom might use firearms with their katana) or spec into a Blademaster that has more katana emotes? I'm just wildly speculating here but it does seem like we're running out of base weapon types.
    Oh we are far from running out of FF jobs
    -Beastmaster/Puppeteer
    -Mimic
    -Freelancer
    -Time mage
    -Merchant
    -Mystic Knight

    To name a few just whether they want to use existing jobs or make new ones
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    Edax Royeaux
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crushnight View Post
    Oh we are far from running out of FF jobs
    -Beastmaster/Puppeteer
    -Mimic
    -Freelancer
    -Time mage
    -Merchant
    -Mystic Knight

    To name a few just whether they want to use existing jobs or make new ones
    I suppose I should clarify and mean viable MMORPG jobs. We learned with Blue Mage that not all jobs translate properly. There's not that much difference between say the job of Fusilier with the job of Flintlock so they might not be viable to put into FFXIV because their weapons are already nearly identical to that of Machinist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    I suppose I should clarify and mean viable MMORPG jobs. We learned with Blue Mage that not all jobs translate properly. There's not that much difference between say the job of Fusilier with the job of Flintlock so they might not be viable to put into FFXIV because their weapons are already nearly identical to that of Machinist.
    Not to turn this into another BLU thread, but to be honest, it's not that BLU didn't translate properly, it's that they royally screwed it up. There are about 5-6 threads that go into detail on how they could have properly done BLU. The foundation is there, they just need to figure out how to properly balance it out. Heck, look how long it took them to figure out SMN. SMN is finally on the right path. Jobs like BST and PUP could work like the Chocobo companion system. And no one buys the excuse of "X job is too hard to balance", because if you look at the classes/jobs that have existed since 1.xx and 2.XX they're a shadow of their former selves and have changed significantly.

    Final Fantasy has a stable of classes/jobs that they can pick from, the only question is how much do they care about said class/job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evogolist View Post
    Not to turn this into another BLU thread, but to be honest, it's not that BLU didn't translate properly, it's that they royally screwed it up.
    Correct. There is nothing stopping Blue Mage from functioning within the framework of FFXIV, aside from the stubbornness of the development team.

    Mime is the only job that led me to initially doubt that it could work within FFXIV. However, the more I thought about it, the more I realized that there was an interpretation that could work. Think about certain fighting games that feature a character with access to moves from a variety of other characters. Mime could work the same way, with access to moves like Dragonfire Dive and Deathflare that can be used at will. Rather than directly copying the actions of teammates, Mime could function like a sample platter with at least one action from every other job that exists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueyes View Post
    Correct. There is nothing stopping Blue Mage from functioning within the framework of FFXIV, aside from the stubbornness of the development team.

    Mime is the only job that led me to initially doubt that it could work within FFXIV. However, the more I thought about it, the more I realized that there was an interpretation that could work. Think about certain fighting games that feature a character with access to moves from a variety of other characters. Mime could work the same way, with access to moves like Dragonfire Dive and Deathflare that can be used at will. Rather than directly copying the actions of teammates, Mime could function like a sample platter with at least one action from every other job that exists.
    I was thinking mime could possibly copy the other jobs it has been grouped with, letting you switch at will to the tank/dps/healer job that you're running a dungeon with at the time. Sounds nice in theory, maybe, but seems like a mime would be a convoluted mess of mechanics.
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    Hugo Narigo
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    Samurai Lv 90
    For new jobs i want:
    -reworked Blue Mage(magic dps)
    -Geomancer(magic dps)
    -Chemist(healer)
    -Mystic Knight(tank)
    -Oracle(healer)
    -Beastmaster(physical dps)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    I suppose I should clarify and mean viable MMORPG jobs. We learned with Blue Mage that not all jobs translate properly. There's not that much difference between say the job of Fusilier with the job of Flintlock so they might not be viable to put into FFXIV because their weapons are already nearly identical to that of Machinist.
    I totally agree with the first part of your comment. However, I don't see weapons to be a problem: We have PLD, DRK, GNB, SAM, RDM that uses blades, BLM, WHM, BLU that uses staves/canes, SMN and SCH that uses books, DNC and NIN have hand blades.. I admit they all use a subset of each, but there is so many weapons in real life, and so much more in fantasies that I really don't see it as a problem..
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    Makoto Edakumi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crushnight View Post
    -Mimic
    Assuming you mean Mime... how would this be anything besides a limited job? As far as I remember in every iteration of Final Fantasy, Mimes do 1 thing and 1 thing only: Do exactly what the person before them did. You'd have your own WASD movement... maybe target an ally to mimic, but... then what?

    As far as the subject: we're probably going to get 1 Healer and 1 Physical Ranged DPS, MAYBE 1 Magical Ranged DPS (and BLU will be split into it's own category of Limited Jobs with any other coming out). Anything beyond a Healer and prDPS is pretty much pure speculation on even arriving.

    Personally? I'd like to see Sorcerer/Mystic Knight as a melee dps that has their own version of Trick Attack and uses Black Magic "spellblades", but moreso physical affect than actual magic, maybe with 1 or 2 DoTs as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaethusXion View Post
    Assuming you mean Mime... how would this be anything besides a limited job? As far as I remember in every iteration of Final Fantasy, Mimes do 1 thing and 1 thing only: Do exactly what the person before them did. You'd have your own WASD movement... maybe target an ally to mimic, but... then what?
    I mean GoGo from ff6 had an editable list of abilities, it would basically be a free lancer with "mimic" ability, i guess. Also agree with the mystic knight thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaethusXion View Post
    Assuming you mean Mime... how would this be anything besides a limited job? As far as I remember in every iteration of Final Fantasy, Mimes do 1 thing and 1 thing only: Do exactly what the person before them did. You'd have your own WASD movement... maybe target an ally to mimic, but... then what?

    As far as the subject: we're probably going to get 1 Healer and 1 Physical Ranged DPS, MAYBE 1 Magical Ranged DPS (and BLU will be split into it's own category of Limited Jobs with any other coming out). Anything beyond a Healer and prDPS is pretty much pure speculation on even arriving.

    Personally? I'd like to see Sorcerer/Mystic Knight as a melee dps that has their own version of Trick Attack and uses Black Magic "spellblades", but moreso physical affect than actual magic, maybe with 1 or 2 DoTs as well.
    I wouldn't necessarily want to see a mime as a job, but I could see how they could put one in that could switch roles (tank/dps/healer) at will. I don't really see a good point to creating this, other than fan service, but I guess it's possible.
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