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    Lagomorph's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry View Post
    WHMs personal dps will increase but that's it. ASTs personal dps AND raid utility will increase. It's going to even out over time and that's the point, to be close by the time people are better geared. Raid utility has been king since HW and was the determining factor for every meta setup. They're attempting to tone that back a bit.
    Perhaps I should have explained more. Everything will be proportional. Let's look at titan savage. White mage is expected to output about 6k personal dps and astrologian is expected to output about 4.5k personal dps at 75th percentile. Cards contribute about 1.2k dps to astro, so they're sitting at 5.7k raid contribution, or 95% the output of what a white mage will do. This is early on in the tier, so raidwide dps in titan is about 75k which is the minimum requirement to clear.

    Now let's supposed we're later on in the tier. People have gear, and are doing a lot more damage. Suppose that this gear increased everyone's damage by 33%. Now raidwide dps is 100k. White mage dps increased by 33% too, so they're at 8k now. Astro dps increased by 33% and is at about 6k now. And what about that 1.2k dps that astro contributed through cards? Well it also increased by 33%. Now it's about 1.6k. This rounds out astro raid contribution at about 7.6k. That is still at about 95% of what the white mage contributed.

    Here's my point. Yes, you're right that white mage personal dps is the only thing that increases. Yes, you're right that astro's personal dps and raid utility increases. The important part that you're neglecting is that white mage's personal dps will increase by quite a bit more than astro's personal dps will increase by. The only way that it will "even out" is if white mage and astro dps remains the same while everyone else gets stronger. Otherwise the proportions here will not change, and astro will continue to perform lower than white mage by the same percentage regardless of how much gear people have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lagomorph View Post
    And what about that 1.2k dps that astro contributed through cards? Well it also increased by 33%. Now it's about 1.6k. This rounds out astro raid contribution at about 7.6k. That is still at about 95% of what the white mage contributed.
    That's where I'm not so sure about your calculation. If we assume everyone gears up at the same rate, even if the AST multiplier (buff) stays the same, the 4 DPS that get buffed throughout the fight get even higher numbers, and this addition ends up outnumbering the WHM's personal DPS.
    Because in your calculation, you even out 33% dmg up on WHM to 33% dmg up on four DPS. Given how Crit and Direct Hit scale on DPS, I'm not sure WHM's dmg curve is as exponential as DPS roles.
    So that's where the AST buffs beef thoses numbers even higher up, breaking the proportional increase. Especially when you also consider how every buff multiplies (and not just add up).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansion View Post
    That's where I'm not so sure about your calculation. If we assume everyone gears up at the same rate, even if the AST multiplier (buff) stays the same, the 4 DPS that get buffed throughout the fight get even higher numbers, and this addition ends up outnumbering the WHM's personal DPS.
    Because in your calculation, you even out 33% dmg up on WHM to 33% dmg up on four DPS. Given how Crit and Direct Hit scale on DPS, I'm not sure WHM's dmg curve is as exponential as DPS roles.
    So that's where the AST buffs beef thoses numbers even higher up, breaking the proportional increase. Especially when you also consider how every buff multiplies (and not just add up).
    You do have to take into account how the increased gear means that WHM would have to heal less and be allowed to DPS more. Right now the situation could very well be, given the lack of clears vs attempts, that the healing requirements are high enough that a WHM cannot push their DPS as hard as they can. Look at normal where there is less healing requirement and a WHM can push their damage and they maintain a sizable gap in rDPS between them and AST. Even potentially outputting more rDPS then tanks.
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