First week of 5.05, healer performance for E4S

**IanFrench** · 08-06-2019 05:52 AM

So this is a sample of as at 6th.Aug, the numbers of each job who have successfully killed E4S at 75th precentile, which is the highest raid at the latest version of 5.05.

The data is from FF logs.com, which does not represent the whole population.

But still, the issue is in the front, while SCHs have 468 kills, WHMs have 447 kills, ASTs have 34 kills. (Sorry for Nin and Sam too, but this is a healer discussion topic)

Maybe, just maybe, the number of ASTs will increase in the next few weeks if their utility card buffs are proved to be worthy, let's hope...

And SE, this is the healer balance you promised to deliver at the cost of not releasing a new healer job since 3.0. Welldone.

**EaMett** · 08-06-2019 05:58 AM

Interestingly enough the number are looking good. Guess it's mostly a gameplay issue at this point. Though I feel like the recent changes were pretty positive in that regards.

Maybe it's just that ASTs have been slow to pick up after the patch released. Anyone who already cleared titan had decided on their main raiding class before the patch and stuck with it.

**Halik** · 08-06-2019 06:58 AM

I have a feeling the lack of Astrologian here is because of what was seen before Shadowbringers release, and as EaMett has said, what people had decided to main because of that. Anyone who avoided playing Astro because of potency and numbers will soon be catching back up and switching if that's all they cared about.

I was main Astrologian (albeit for very little because I'm fairly new) and switched to Dancer because they pretty much removed the RNG and flavor and gave it to the Dancer, whom also has the support aspect. Sucks because I want to heal, but am kind of realizing now that those cards carried a lot of my enjoyment for the class, along with Earthly Star and the old Celestial Opposition/Time Dilation (and somewhat Horoscope now). The cards felt like a fun, unique thing in a genre that can feel very bland and trite these days.

With the 5.05 buffs I haven't felt weak but the cards are a chore now, because using any particular card just amounts to some damage. Until they stop being a chore and I can actually be excited to use them, Astro will more than likely stay as a secondary job for me, even if it becomes the new hotness from buffs.

**Exiled_Tonberry** · 08-06-2019 06:58 AM

Before we get too into this, it's very important to note something. Right now, after the buffs, AST total raid contribution is very good and can be considered on par with the other healers. As ilv scales so will ASTs contribution to the raid.

The reason theirs so little ASTs clearing right now is because statics already settled on their comps before the raid hit, and it's normally a very bad decision to change suddenly because of buffs on patch day.

Don't look at this number and think this is an indication of how strong AST is right now, it simply is going to take time to pick back up. Unfortunately though, I can see SE overbuffing again just to get their player numbers up.

**TankHunter678** · 08-06-2019 09:03 AM

It looks like the healing requirements goes up the higher up the savage fights you go. WHM maintains a good 600 rDPS lead over AST in E1S, it becomes 400 in E2S, 300 in E3S, then 200 in E4S. The more the WHM has to heal the less DPS and thus rDPS it can throw out. Considering we are acting close to min ilvl I expect WHM to simply get its rDPS lead back as it gears up over the coming weeks.

Though there is some weirdness at Max where WHM goes from clobbering the entire tank and healer lineup at E1S to somehow being the slightly worst healer at E4S.

**DawnSolaria** · 08-06-2019 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

Before we get too into this, it's very important to note something. Right now, after the buffs, AST total raid contribution is very good and can be considered on par with the other healers. As ilv scales so will ASTs contribution to the raid.

The reason theirs so little ASTs clearing right now is because statics already settled on their comps before the raid hit, and it's normally a very bad decision to change suddenly because of buffs on patch day.

Don't look at this number and think this is an indication of how strong AST is right now, it simply is going to take time to pick back up. Unfortunately though, I can see SE overbuffing again just to get their player numbers up.

Is there data showing that AST buffing scales better than whm personal dps? I understand that buff scales with ilevel but so does whm? Where can I see that AST does in fact out scale, since this was not the first time I hear this claim?

**Gaethan_Tessula** · 08-06-2019 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by DawnSolaria

Is there data showing that AST buffing scales better than whm personal dps? I understand that buff scales with ilevel but so does whm? Where can I see that AST does in fact out scale, since this was not the first time I hear this claim?

Well, my guess is that the rDPS contributed by AST scales multiplicative with the entire raid getting geared better. Everyone who gears up increases AST rDPS.

**Exiled_Tonberry** · 08-06-2019 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by DawnSolaria

Is there data showing that AST buffing scales better than whm personal dps? I understand that buff scales with ilevel but so does whm? Where can I see that AST does in fact out scale, since this was not the first time I hear this claim?

Rai utility just scales better than personal dps. Aside from the obvious like it effecting more people, as DPS damage goes up, raid utility starts to scale better. And suddenly that 6% aoe buff allows for a lot more damage when your dps goes from 11k average to 13-14k average.

WHM personal DPS will obviously go up, but that's all. It's why raid utility is so broken and why SE just needs to give WHM utility instead of doing all of this weird crap.

**DawnSolaria** · 08-06-2019 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

Rai utility just scales better than personal dps. Aside from the obvious like it effecting more people, as DPS damage goes up, raid utility starts to scale better. And suddenly that 6% aoe buff allows for a lot more damage when your dps goes from 11k average to 13-14k average.

WHM personal DPS will obviously go up, but that's all. It's why raid utility is so broken and why SE just needs to give WHM utility instead of doing all of this weird crap.

What I would like isnt you explaining me how damage buff works, what I would like is a set of stats that backs up your claim that buffs will contribute increasingly patch to patch without other external factors. You telling me to trust you on buff being broken is like me wanting you to believe white mages is stupidly OP right now.

**DawnSolaria** · 08-06-2019 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by Gaethan_Tessula

Well, my guess is that the rDPS contributed by AST scales multiplicative with the entire raid getting geared better. Everyone who gears up increases AST rDPS.

Sure but AST doesnt constantly increase entire party dps, only every 2 min and a few occasionally, where as a whm ilevel is a consistent increase. I could definitely be wrong on this but I would at least like to get proven wrong.

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