Astrologian 5.0 Discussion

[Kabooa]

Same with MCH. It had decent numbers, but seeing one was like finding a shiny pokemon - For the majority of players, big numbers don't compensate for poop gameplay.

I went Mach for my static in Stormblood since we needed refresh a ranged and I didn't have bard leveled.

Mach's "poor gameplay" was largely an exaggeration. The issue was it's irreconcilability with high ping. You need only look at Gunbreaker now and you can see Stormblood's Machinist loop, and it's being quite well received.

[TankHunter678]

I went Mach for my static in Stormblood since we needed refresh a ranged and I didn't have bard leveled.

Mach's "poor gameplay" was largely an exaggeration. The issue was it's irreconcilability with high ping. You need only look at Gunbreaker now and you can see Stormblood's Machinist loop, and it's being quite well received.

Excluding the fact that MCH had its main rotation be RNG and everything had to land during an unforgiving Wildfire burst window (which GNB's window is double the length and twice as often) and also had to work around an awkward buff window which had to be lined up just right since it triggered itself when you hit 100 heat automatically.

Numerically MCH was in a good spot, design wise it was in a terrible spot with a very large range of inconsistency. Hence why it got a rework which has been very well received with only minor complaints and feels powerful to play.

[Boomsmash]

I went Mach for my static in Stormblood since we needed refresh a ranged and I didn't have bard leveled.

Mach's "poor gameplay" was largely an exaggeration. The issue was it's irreconcilability with high ping. You need only look at Gunbreaker now and you can see Stormblood's Machinist loop, and it's being quite well received.

Stormblood's? The one that was a % chance proc at every stage? That's Dancer now, not Gunbreaker. MCH was heavily based on those procs, its entire rotation was saved or destroyed by it, and it was way easy to run out of shells and be back at the mercy of RNGsus.

ShB's MCH and GNB, those combos and rotations are not chance-based, they are skill and timing based. I love Dancer because it has enough other things to be doing that I can not care if a proc happens or not, but if the RNG is being bad you aren't going to see procs.

[Schan]

now back to AST which is the topic at hand...

I feel like the changed made it flow somewhat better. I can actually see celestial opposition DO something.

Other than that I haven't really had the time to sit down and break everything down and i'm sure people have done it for me already.

I'm looking forward to hop into the savage thread to see how healers are performing this tier.

[Halik]

Why even have a picture of the signs when they don't connect to lore anyways. Just have a picture of the 3 seals we are fishing for instead of the 6 signs. That way it is more simple, easy, homogenized, and intuitive. That way it's easier to level to 80 and finally switch class.
And if they are going that route anyways just delete the AST class itself, no one's playing it for dungeons or endgame anyways.

Reminder that the state of AST cards is such that removing the cards from the gauge improves said gauge. Please fix thine issue forthwith, Square.

I'm in the camp that is pretty happy with how AST plays and doesn't want AoE cards back as well, but I'll take anything to bring back card identity.

And yes, I will keep posting this image to remind me of the absolute state of the cards.

[KanameYuuki]

The only reason the cards were not out right removed is because they are an integral part of the job quest and not like the lore was respected anyways, so at least SE should go all the way and make it like your picture, so much more clean and easy to peripheral vision, that's all we currently need to see anyways.

[IanFrench]

Maybe just get rid of the melee/ranged situation, and keep it to 3 cards which give 3 different buffs, dmg up/cri up/speed up at 5% for 30sec. then what about minor arcana?

[Halik]

Here we go, built my own gauge.



Not all that pretty, but much easier to know from peripheral vision.

[Kabooa]

Stormblood's? The one that was a % chance proc at every stage? That's Dancer now, not Gunbreaker. MCH was heavily based on those procs, its entire rotation was saved or destroyed by it, and it was way easy to run out of shells and be back at the mercy of RNGsus.

ShB's MCH and GNB, those combos and rotations are not chance-based, they are skill and timing based. I love Dancer because it has enough other things to be doing that I can not care if a proc happens or not, but if the RNG is being bad you aren't going to see procs.

The 123 of Machinist wasn't the focus of its gameplay. It was the Wildfire loop, which is effectively no different than Gunbreaker's no Mercy loop. The only difference is that no Mercy is a little more forgiving due to longer duration and the fact that you can space out your OGCDs a bit more because of it.

[ForteNightshade]

You just did proof that AST can be used to clear savage.

Not the best healer job for make the so-called "log runs"? Maybe not. But who cares.

And, aside the personal crusades against AST, wasn't AST into the group that made world first clear of resurrection? Go tell them they are wrong.

No one is arguing Astro can't clear content. They're saying it's widely unpopular. Look no further than Ninja or Samurai. Both are perfectly viable yet they have staggeringly low representation in Savage. That kinda says SE did a poor job making the jobs fun.