Thread: Astrologian 5.0 Discussion

Originally Posted by TankHunter678

Ewer is actually still needed for Noct AST which has MP troubles due to no secondary source of MP, and useful for helping other caster/healers with MP troubles especially outside of optimized content. Not to mention that AST generally winds up doing GCD healing more often especially in large pulls. Old Bole would still be immensely useful for helping mitigate pull damage, the far more prevalent raid wide damage, and helping with TBs as while Tank HP has gone up healing has not gone up nearly as much.

Arrow would still be useful be it for speeding up healing casts, throwing on a BLM/SAM/MCH to speed up their rotation, or using it to double the duration of the next card if we still had royal road. Spear would have been amazing with the improved Monk and let it be even more of a monster then it currently is.

Spire did need a rework, but it is not like the other cards were slouches or did not have a purpose. Spire could have been made Det which would have made it useful in all situations.

Course Balance was a problem, and apparently people only fished for balance because that is what the most optimized players did for savage, so everything was made Balance. Could have not thrown away our utility and just reworked the problem card into being Direct HIt.

I had to correct myself on this, but they made Aldoquin (sp) cost 1k MP for SCH, so they'd have to lower its cost as well if they messed with Noct Benefic to make it cost 500.

Originally Posted by TankHunter678

Ewer is actually still needed for Noct AST which has MP troubles due to no secondary source of MP, and useful for helping other caster/healers with MP troubles especially outside of optimized content. Not to mention that AST generally winds up doing GCD healing more often especially in large pulls. Old Bole would still be immensely useful for helping mitigate pull damage, the far more prevalent raid wide damage, and helping with TBs as while Tank HP has gone up healing has not gone up nearly as much.

Arrow would still be useful be it for speeding up healing casts, throwing on a BLM/SAM/MCH to speed up their rotation, or using it to double the duration of the next card if we still had royal road. Spear would have been amazing with the improved Monk and let it be even more of a monster then it currently is.

Spire did need a rework, but it is not like the other cards were slouches or did not have a purpose. Spire could have been made Det which would have made it useful in all situations.

Course Balance was a problem, and apparently people only fished for balance because that is what the most optimized players did for savage, so everything was made Balance. Could have not thrown away our utility and just reworked the problem card into being Direct HIt.

Forgive me but I'm terrible at forums lol.

I very rarely run out if mp even without Ewer however as I suggested above getting a new play option would allow 500-1000 back to us or even another player if we wanted. I would argue lightspeed and aspected benefic with benefic 2 is plenty for healing and since the cards are pure damage now Arrow isn't as useful. Of course this is my opinion. I still miss the old card system too. But thinking of moving forward with what we got and pushing for new card plays for better benefits while still having access to damage buffs all the time.

Ah yeah Spire could've been reworked into that. Wouldn't have been so bad. So I'd they adjust things properly for the old system to return can definitely see it. Just dunno since it's here to stay apparently...

Maybe they're trying to get rid of the time mage aspect to make room for an actual time mage?

That sounds plausible and they also got rid of Shadow Flare and with it slow, so maybe.

Originally Posted by ty_taurus

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I like those pair of cards, so if you like to balance fish you can do so just as you can be an utility AST, You keep some random chance on each seal but still consistent enough about what you could get for the party.

What if:

The Spear: increases HP restored of target via healing actions.

The Spire: Reduces MP cost for spells or Increases healing magic potency

Originally Posted by KanameYuuki

I like those pair of cards, so if you like to balance fish you can do so just as you can be an utility AST, You keep some random chance on each seal but still consistent enough about what you could get for the party.

What if:

The Spear: increases HP restored of target via healing actions.

The Spire: Reduces MP cost for spells or Increases healing magic potency

I thought of that for the second tank card, but in a way, it feels a little bit the same in a lot of ways to damage reduction. Same with Spire reducing MP costs. They're great and more reliable, but was thinking more along the lines of trying to make each tank and healer card a little bit different in a way, but they'd all still work really nicely during your Horoscope window. I don't think the specific effects at that point matter too much for the sake of the concept, so either set would be fine. I guess since Redraw would be gone, the two being kinda the same in different ways could actually be better since you get a better grasp of what you'll be drawing with Lunar and Celestial with those. I'll edit the post...

Originally Posted by ty_taurus

Here's an example of what I mean:
Solar Draw: Draw either The Balance or The Arrow
The Balance boosts damage output + gives a Solar Seal
The Arrow boosts Crit + gives a Solar Seal
Solar Draw is meant to be played on DPS allies.

Lunar Draw: Draw either The Bole or The Spear
The Bole reduces damage received + gives a Lunar Seal
The Spear restores a small amount of HP any time the target takes damage Increases healing received + gives a Lunar Seal
Lunar Draw is meant to be played on tanks.

Given the existing lore of the cards it would be better to swap spear and arrow. Spear lorewise creates a critical moment that opens the path to victory, hence why it gave crit. Arrow hastened the target to be swift. So Spear would be the crit card in this idea, while Arrow would be the card to either enhance the heals the target receives (hastening the effects of healing magic, just like how spellspeed increases the potency of HoTs) or grants the target a fairly nice dodge buff (hastens the reaction times of the person to make them better able to avoid damage) which would make then different flavors of damage reduction.

Originally Posted by TankHunter678

Given the existing lore of the cards it would be better to swap spear and arrow. Spear lorewise creates a critical moment that opens the path to victory, hence why it gave crit. Arrow hastened the target to be swift. So Spear would be the crit card in this idea, while Arrow would be the card to either enhance the heals the target receives (hastening the effects of healing magic, just like how spellspeed increases the potency of HoTs) or grants the target a fairly nice dodge buff (hastens the reaction times of the person to make them better able to avoid damage) which would make then different flavors of damage reduction.

I actually wanted to change Crit to Direct Hit because it would be a little unfair synergy wise to WHM, as Crit would benefit Chain Stratagem too much. Also I ended up tossing the idea into the feedback page because I'm honestly quite happy with the idea and really hope someone sees it and maybe pulls ideas from it, even if not directly the same concept. I'm not entirely sure where that would leave Spear if we want to be as true to the lore as possible, but I think creating a critical moment can be interpreted in some interesting ways. Personally, I'm fine with whatever cards taking up whichever effects, so long as it's something everyone can be happy with.

Originally Posted by ty_taurus

I actually wanted to change Crit to Direct Hit because it would be a little unfair synergy wise to WHM, as Crit would benefit Chain Stratagem too much. Also I ended up tossing the idea into the feedback page because I'm honestly quite happy with the idea and really hope someone sees it and maybe pulls ideas from it, even if not directly the same concept. I'm not entirely sure where that would leave Spear if we want to be as true to the lore as possible, but I think creating a critical moment can be interpreted in some interesting ways. Personally, I'm fine with whatever cards taking up whichever effects, so long as it's something everyone can be happy with.

It would honestly be better to turn Balance into Direct Hit. The problem with balance was that it being a general purpose damage increase simply made it overshadow the other DPS cards which were still good if situational, as while the other cards were situational Balance was not. Direct Hit is still a general purpose damage increase like Crit is, but it is still only a chance at extra damage. This would put it more in line with the Crit of Spear.

Originally Posted by TankHunter678

It would honestly be better to turn Balance into Direct Hit. The problem with balance was that it being a general purpose damage increase simply made it overshadow the other DPS cards which were still good if situational, as while the other cards were situational Balance was not. Direct Hit is still a general purpose damage increase like Crit is, but it is still only a chance at extra damage. This would put it more in line with the Crit of Spear.

I see what you're saying and you've made some great points. Thank you on that