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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyneste View Post
    Thats exactly why it was so terrible to balance. There will never be a meta where SCH isn't King. It will always have a skill ceiling too difficult to balance. Its a gameplay style vs Balance sort of thing.

    The rouse clone suggestion, was just a starting point, but I completely understand. It would need to outweigh lustrate at a longer duration and just generally be better.
    Energy drain was never why SCH was meta, SCH is meta because of A: chain stratagem, it is purely a dps gain that lines up with TA and will always be an advantage to have. And B: it is the healer that can heal the lost for free because of aetherflow and fairy guage. Giving scholar more aetherflow healing would not fix the problem, it would actively make it worse. The more oGCD healing spells SCH gets the more required it will be, because it will always end up being the healer that never stops dpsing to heal. It does not need more healing, and energy drain is a needed tool because of fights like titania ex. I went through all of titania ex refreshing aetherflow at 1-2 stacks because there was no healing to do, the only reason I didnt have 3 stacks at points is because I used excog on CD, and I had honestly just given up on using all my aetherflow before refresh, and that felt terrible. Now when I go into that fight I will ALWAYS have something to do with aetherflow that isnt overhealing.

    It's also why this thread is talking about doing something similar to WHM, you always want to feel like your main resource is useful, and this is a game where dps is king, so having something that either dps's directly, or raises the amount of dps you can pump out, is the thing most highly suggested, because it makes sense with current game design and would feel so much better. It's also why I believe WHM needs more oGCD healing options, so it can stay competitive with the other two healers. It is the only healer that relies this much on GCD healing, and when it's main selling point over the other two healers is its huge dps, that's hardly fair that it has to use so many GCDs healing.
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    Last edited by Billythepancake; 08-06-2019 at 04:30 AM.


    Make SCH great again! Seriously though, we just want our class to be fun and engaging again, not OP, is that too much to ask for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billythepancake View Post
    Energy drain was never why SCH was meta, SCH is meta because of A: chain stratagem.

    SCH has been king since Heavensward. Its ability to be flexible in DPS and healing is what has made it king. Being able to pump out consistent Damage, with strong OGCD heals on the fly is what has kept it meta for so long. Chain strat just furthered it. I understand your viewpoint, and I had it at one time too. I just changed my mind on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyneste View Post
    SCH has been king since Heavensward. Its ability to be flexible in DPS and healing is what has made it king. Being able to pump out consistent Damage, with strong OGCD heals on the fly is what has kept it meta for so long. Chain strat just furthered it. I understand your viewpoint, and I had it at one time too. I just changed my mind on it.
    So if having so many on the fly heals is what makes it king, which I agree with, because it let's them dps more, then how exactly is giving them MORE on the fly oGCD healing going to make them less meta? The removal of energy drain in 5.0 did little to stop SCH from being meta, it just made it less interesting to play.
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    Make SCH great again! Seriously though, we just want our class to be fun and engaging again, not OP, is that too much to ask for?