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[NoctisUmbra]

Not true. If you take THM with you to moogle fight there dps can rival that of an archer. We have even had thm's outdamage the archers. The fight goes much faster with a thm or 2 as well. (this is easily noticalbe at the begining when the single moogles die faster then the next spawns, and you have 5-10 sec of nothing going on)

Before you just dismiss the THM you should see the class in action, it works quit well.

THM is great DPS for Phase 1, but in Phase 2 it's only use really comes down to Blizzara. It's DPS in no way will rival an ARC for the duration of the fight due to MP recovery limitations. The ARC has to be quite bad.

[Meatdawg]

THM is great DPS for Phase 1, but in Phase 2 it's only use really comes down to Blizzara. It's DPS in no way will rival an ARC for the duration of the fight due to MP recovery limitations. The ARC has to be quite bad.

Depending on your kill order, THM can be just as effective in phase II as well. The King and all non mage moogles take a beating from a THM's burst dps.

If you do not have the magic acc to pull off your combos effectively then you have no right being in there as a thm.

One THM in your group will let you kill faster then all archers.

[NoctisUmbra]

Depending on your kill order, THM can be just as effective in phase II as well. The King and all non mage moogles take a beating from a THM's burst dps.

If you do not have the magic acc to pull off your combos effectively then you have no right being in there as a thm.

One THM in your group will let you kill faster then all archers.

I'm well aware of the importance of magic accuracy for THM DPS.
I'm well aware of the weakness to nuking that the GLA, MRD and King have.

Having made use of both pieces of info, with THM being my 2nd most played class after ARC since 1.20 I can safely say that no, THM DPS never even gets close to average ARC DPS for that fight.

The thing about killorder in phase II is, you're killing all 7 anyway. Sure a certain order may assist with THM's MP recovery, but overall it's not going to help enough. The gap is too drastic. A nuking CNJ is much more effective in Phase II than a THM.

[Meatdawg]

I'm well aware of the importance of magic accuracy for THM DPS.
I'm well aware of the weakness to nuking that the GLA, MRD and King have.

Having made use of both pieces of info, with THM being my 2nd most played class after ARC since 1.20 I can safely say that no, THM DPS never even gets close to average ARC DPS for that fight.

The thing about killorder in phase II is, you're killing all 7 anyway. Sure a certain order may assist with THM's MP recovery, but overall it's not going to help enough. The gap is too drastic. A nuking CNJ is much more effective in Phase II than a THM.

There is no way a nuking Conj can keep up with the DPS of a nuking THM. He just has other abilities that lend to better survival. Just as a Thm is gimped healing, and Conj is gimped Nuking. You have to work with the skill of your fellow players. If none of them can keep up the dps to be just below archers then your are probably right and they should not be a thm.

Just because you can't/or choose not to do it doesn't mean it isn't a viable strategy.

It works for us.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post503322

[NoctisUmbra]

There is no way a nuking Conj can keep up with the DPS of a nuking THM. He just has other abilities that lend to better survival. Just as a Thm is gimped healing, and Conj is gimped Nuking. You have to work with the skill of your fellow players. If none of them can keep up the dps to be just below archers then your are probably right and they should not be a thm.

Just because you can't/or choose not to do it doesn't mean it isn't a viable strategy.

It works for us.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post503322

I never said it wasn't viable to bring THMs to moogle or to beat Moogle with them. If most certainly is.

All I am saying is, in response to your assessment of THM DPS in the Moogle fight, is that it does not and cannot match up to the DPS of a competent ARC. Also, an exclusively nuking CNJ can in fact surpass the DPS of a THM due to their abundant MP recovery options. Both these points are widely accepted at this point. Now if you believe otherwise, I invite you to show some parse results.

[Meatdawg]

I never said it wasn't viable to bring THMs to moogle or to beat Moogle with them. If most certainly is.

All I am saying is, in response to your assessment of THM DPS in the Moogle fight, is that it does not and cannot match up to the DPS of a competent ARC. Also, an exclusively nuking CNJ can in fact surpass the DPS of a THM due to their abundant MP recovery options. Both these points are widely accepted at this point. Now if you believe otherwise, I invite you to show some parse results.

Did you click on the link i provided? Obviously not. If you cant even read what I post, then what is the point...

How about you provide some parse results since I have...

[NoctisUmbra]

Did you click on the link i provided? Obviously not. If you cant even read what I post, then what is the point...

How about you provide some parse results since I have...

Apologies, I was posting through my phone at that time. Looking at it now, while I will admit those numbers are impressive for a THM they are rather inflated. Looking at the DPS values I see 45 and 25. The 25 is quite low as expected, and the 45 I will consider a THM performing to the best of their ability in the Moogle fight. The Archer up there with 57 is the measure of a competent one and as you can see their DPS ceiling is well above a THM.

To reiterate, I do not mean to say THM is not viable. I mean to say the DPS ceiling of a THM is quite noticeably below that of an ARC for the Moogle fight, simply due to the mechanics of the fight. That parse only shows what I've been saying with the two Archers on top.

Again, this is a PGL thread and thus I will stop contributing to this off-topic discussion at this point.