Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
As long as Regens stack and shields don't Nocturnal will always have a place.
I think you meant "never". Nocturnal is far too weak right now to bother using, even with a WHM in the party.
But they can't buff Shields too much or NoctAST kicks SCH out.
Doesn't help that SCHs whole kit is designed around it having strong shielding and then background healing of good strength to take advantage of the cover the Shields provide while NoctAST simply doesn't.

As a fun aside, I know its not representative of WHMs as a whole, but I just had 2 WHMs in a row in E1N completely ignore healing outside of Rapture(Cos Misery) and Assize because I was an AST. They just went full blown Glare Mage and left me, who was experimenting with Noct post patch to solo heal the runs while still getting all my cards out and doing DPS as well …

Long story short, Nocturnal needs a full rework. It just doesn't work as a proper stand-in for a SCH in its current form.
Although I'm personally hoping Neutral Sect becomes a base Trait learned at 80, with the Sects simply empowering the Shielding or Regen further.