Square Enix Team Hates NIN Players.

[kidalutz]

I must wonder how it feels to actually be this ignorant. First of all, while Trick Attack is indeed the best solo buff in the game, it varies wildly depending on your group skill levels and composition. In other words, in most groups, Trick Attack is but a mediocre buff when you combine it with most statics. But this was still okay in Stormblood because Ninjas could bring pretty decent DPS on their own. To demonstrate this with an example.

In almost every pug in Stormblood, it would be better for me to go Monk or Samurai on an equal skill level. This was simply because EVERY party I was in, did not utilize timely trick attacks at all and we were talking about 500 DPS raid contribution here. Samurai and Monk, on the same level of play, bring more overall Raid DPS than Ninja in these scenarios. This is why Ninja is a vastly overrated job, puppeted by silly willy people who have no idea what they are talking about.
Now, we are in Shadowbringers and we still have Trick Attack. The only difference is that our DPS now is so absurdly low, that even in the BEST groups making use of Trick Attack, on an equal skill level, Ninja will fall 500-1k DPS behind Monk and Samurai. That's problematic. Because not only is Ninja the most difficult melee job in the game, and not only is Trick Attack the most difficult thing to optimize properly in the game (other raid buffs synergising with it), it will never be enough.

I wish you would stop making stupid remarks and let the debate be handled by people who actually have an idea what they are talking about. Ninja does need another buff.

I've leveled EVERY JOB there is Played Ninja Back from HW release off and on till now But nope dont have a clue what I'm talking about. I don't know what your experience is but I'd say it's roughly the exact same as mine.That said I will conceed the point with PuGs I completely forgot to even consider them into the equation.I also wouldn't use monk as your guide point when you make the claim you need a buff Monk is meant to do high yield damage. Ninja will never be allowed to get close to monk Samurai I'll give you that one Sam and NIN should be neck and neck.

I would however make a few more suggestions and actually listen to them because otherwise not one whit of any of the feedbacks going to be looked over. Have OP make a new better titled thread.

1. It makes it seem as if its a bunch of trivial grade school whinging and alot of it is
2. Get rid of the whingy it feels like posts feelings have nothing to do with it.
3. get rid of the snarky posts mine included.
4. Consolidate everything into a data format and explain the proposed Buffs required
5.Explain why Trick Attack should NOT Factor into the battle teams decisions on Ninjas needing Buffed.
6. Put up a question on Ninja into the Q&A (Remember they said Ask job related questions and convey the issues after 5.05 dropped)
7.Stop putting solid feedback into Sensationalist Titled threads they will always be ignored by Devs

[Starflake]

I've leveled EVERY JOB there is Played Ninja Back from HW release off and on till now But nope dont have a clue what I'm talking about. I don't know what your experience is but I'd say it's roughly the exact same as mine.That said I will conceed the point with PuGs I completely forgot to even consider them into the equation.I also wouldn't use monk as your guide point when you make the claim you need a buff Monk is meant to do high yield damage. Ninja will never be allowed to get close to monk Samurai I'll give you that one Sam and NIN should be neck and neck.

I would however make a few more suggestions and actually listen to them because otherwise not one whit of any of the feedbacks going to be looked over. Have OP make a new better titled thread.

1. It makes it seem as if its a bunch of trivial grade school whinging and alot of it is
2. Get rid of the whingy it feels like posts feelings have nothing to do with it.
3. get rid of the snarky posts mine included.
4. Consolidate everything into a data format and explain the proposed Buffs required
5.Explain why Trick Attack should NOT Factor into the battle teams decisions on Ninjas needing Buffed.
6. Put up a question on Ninja into the Q&A (Remember they said Ask job related questions and convey the issues after 5.05 dropped)
7.Stop putting solid feedback into Sensationalist Titled threads they will always be ignored by Devs

You indeed do not having a clue what you are talking about, regardless of you leveling all your classes, that does not mean you know the numbers. You also apparently have some trouble reading what I am actually saying. Maybe you do not know the difference between pDPS and rDPS. Nobody is claiming that Ninja's personal DPS should be on par with Monk's DPS. The rDPS should be roughly equal between the two. Meaning the personal damage you bring plus the raid Ulility you bring cominbed should even out in the end. It doesn't.
Ninja shouldn't be close to samurai either, Samurai should be doing more personal DPS than monk as it has no party utility, Monk still has Brotherhood.

[kidalutz]

You indeed do not having a clue what you are talking about, regardless of you leveling all your classes, that does not mean you know the numbers. You also apparently have some trouble reading what I am actually saying. Maybe you do not know the difference between pDPS and rDPS. Nobody is claiming that Ninja's personal DPS should be on par with Monk's DPS. The rDPS should be roughly equal between the two. Meaning the personal damage you bring plus the raid Ulility you bring cominbed should even out in the end. It doesn't.
Ninja shouldn't be close to samurai either, Samurai should be doing more personal DPS than monk as it has no party utility, Monk still has Brotherhood.

English is a third language admittedly. I'm getting what you're saying now.