Revelations from SHADOWBRINGERS

[KageTokage]

In regards to the post credit scenes.

I really hope they're not going to overlook the fact that the Garleans have been shown to on multiple occasions to have security cameras for the sake of allowing Zenos to blame what happened to Varis on Gaius and Estinien.

Having him go full rogue and forfeit the support of the Empire (Aside from maybe a few staunch loyalists in his personal army) would be more interesting then him simply opting to use it as a tool IMO.

[EdwinLi]

In regards to the post credit scenes.

I really hope they're not going to overlook the fact that the Garleans have been shown to on multiple occasions to have security cameras for the sake of allowing Zenos to blame what happened to Varis on Gaius and Estinien.

Having him go full rogue and forfeit the support of the Empire (Aside from maybe a few staunch loyalists in his personal army) would be more interesting then him simply opting to use it as a tool IMO.

From how things went....

Zeno is not going to take the throne but wonder off so he can find a way to consume both Zodiark and Hydealyn got his ultmate hunt he has planned for the Grand Finale.

Most likelt the Throne will be elft empty again and 6.0 may end up being another Civil War in Garlean Empire but this time WoL and the Alliance will be directly involved in Garlemald.

As for when Zeno may consume the Zodiark and Hydealyn, I can only guess it may be during the 6.0 FInale where we may have finally defeated Zodiark with hydealyn weakened due to supporting WoL in the battle against Zodiark thus they get consumed by Zeno due to how weak they become. After that probably in 6.3 Zodiark and Hydealyn both die with Zenos defeat because both of them agree the only way to guarantee a future for the world is to defeat Zeno by sacrificing themselves so Zeno's very soul is completely destroyed.

and thus we enter a new world without Zodiark and Hydaelyn with some unknown effect the world may face with both Zodiark and Hydaelyn gone such as all remaining shards fuse together to create a New World that consist of all lands from the Shards and Source since the Battle against Zeno was so Epic it was equal to that of a Grand Calamity thus it resulted in all shards returning to the Source all at once to Create this New World but all memories of Zodiark, Ascians, Hydaelyn, and Zodiark are wiped clean from the memories of this world.

Of course...

The sad part of this will be how WoL deals with all memories of him or herself wiped from the New World thus giving us the feeling of what the Ascians felt when the world got Sundered into the 13 shards through 6.4 to 6.5 MSQ.

[Erendis]

From how things went....

Zeno is not going to take the throne but wonder off so he can find a way to consume both Zodiark and Hydealyn got his ultmate hunt he has planned for the Grand Finale.

Most likelt the Throne will be elft empty again and 6.0 may end up being another Civil War in Garlean Empire but this time WoL and the Alliance will be directly involved in Garlemald.

Regarding this event

If Varis did not die at once, he could have named a successor (maybe even Gaius who was immediately available) to avoid another succession war, since he cares about Garlemald's future.

[Alleo]

You miss understand what i mean by Season 2 storyline.

I am not talking about a Reset of the game itself but a new Storyline that will continue the Story of the Warrior of Light but is not related to the Zodiark vs Hydaelyn War we are currently in since Season 2 storyline will be set a X or Y amount of Time after the Finale of Season 1 (most likely going to be 6.0 Expansion due to what 5.0 has setup in the 5.0 Finale) where Zodiark and the Ascians have been finally defeated at long last. Thus a new storyline that takes place after Zodiark/Ascian's defeat and open the door to go into the lands beyond Eorzea as Adventurers where stronger enemies we have yet to fight are while meeting new friends and old allies in this world were we are no longer have to worry about Zodiark and Ascians. Still got to worry about the New Main Antagonist for Season 2 storyline though but who knows what SE may create as the New Antagonist once Zodiark and the Ascians are defeated.

Oh thats how you mean it. Well maybe we wont need a new big bad (I always found it strange to suddenly introduce another new level of enemy after the big bad is done) and can be fine with just being adventurers. Honestly I would at least not have any problems with us just being an adventurer and then saving and helping people along the way. Of course that may feel a bit less grand after we defeat the Ascians but I am fine with that. Heck they could even use the shard as a way to introduce more new continents or maybe we do get the ability to travel between realms and each expansion then takes place on a new shard. I just dont feel the need to bring us down in power.

Something I keep remembering-and-forgetting to post about Varis...

Back in 4.5 we were theorising about him possibly being possessed by Emet, especially in the second half of the meeting. During that scene when we start to press him about the Ascians, he exclaims something like "now you're starting to ask the right questions!".... and then Emet himself says the same thing or close to it, I think when we were looking at the murals.

Someone also suggested at some point that from the previous zodiac associations, Emet is linked with Gemini and there might be potentially two of him?

But then that doesn't really seem to tie in with how it ended.

I think that might have been a red hering or they wanted us to speculate. Maybe this another scene that is more clear in japanese? (Since the english version likes to make some things more mysterious) I for example never thought that this was Emet, for me it was just a way to show that yes Varis is a bad guy and now he is doing the bad guy face. Others may have wanted it to be Emet so that Varis could still turn out to be somehow a grey character that would fight on our side.

[EdwinLi]

Oh thats how you mean it. Well maybe we wont need a new big bad (I always found it strange to suddenly introduce another new level of enemy after the big bad is done) and can be fine with just being adventurers. Honestly I would at least not have any problems with us just being an adventurer and then saving and helping people along the way. Of course that may feel a bit less grand after we defeat the Ascians but I am fine with that. Heck they could even use the shard as a way to introduce more new continents or maybe we do get the ability to travel between realms and each expansion then takes place on a new shard. I just dont feel the need to bring us down in power.

Sadly for any story there is always going to be a big bad guy but the question will be how long this person remains in the shadows?

As for bring about change in power, it does not necessarily require WoL to lose his/her power since we learn WOL's power comes from the Original soul and the more complete WoL is the more powerful he/she returns to be.

One Scenario I am theorizing about is that the end result of the Season 1 Finale may bring about a New World much larger than the current world with all Shards fused into the Source that creates new lands that were once part of those shards and the lands in the Source remain intact as well. However, the negative effect may bring a complete memory wipe of events but with the Books/Stories about WoL adventurers becoming stories of Fiction due to this new world having no history of Ascians, Zodiark, Warriors of Light, and Hydaelyn.

It would be a interesting position for certain, in my opinion, as it would reflect how the Emit's felt when the Ascians "saved" their world only to have it sundered and everyone's memories about what happened forgotten as if the story has come full circle but this time WoL has come to terms with the situation through 6.4 to 6.55 MSQ thus accepting the fate and moving on to the next Adventure.

Of course 7.0 MSQ would end up restoring the Title of Warrior of Light on to WoL and maybe some people may remember WoL again (mostly the Scions) or they never remember but comment how WoL is like the Warrior of Light from the "fictional" stories about the Warrior of Light. Unless a new title is given such as Warrior of Dawn.

[Rannie]

As a 1.0 player I would not want to go through that type of scenario again. Meaning that people forget who we are.

[EdwinLi]

As a 1.0 player I would not want to go through that type of scenario again. Meaning that people forget who we are.

Depends on how it is handle in my opinion.

1.0 to 2.0 scenario was just blurry out their identity as memories still lingered but they just could not see the WoL.

In this scenario it is a complete change in the Planet's history and events due to the removal of key elements that caused the historical events being Zodiark, Ascian, Hydaelyn, and Warrior of Light similar to what the Sundering did which resulted in complete memory wipe of the Original World and its history while altering each Shard and Source history.

It really goes down to how the world maybe affected by this since the history may be so different that they remember the Original Calamity that caused Zodiark's summon but changed so that the world manage to recover by itself thus the Summoning never happened but enough of the world was still destroyed that some ruins remain while the survivors rebuilt the world.

[Rannie]

Perhaps, I dont know. I cant see how they would write that type if scenario out. And I'm really hoping that they dont. How can I put this, to me it seems like, I want to say cheap way to do it, but I understand that it can be possible to do... maybe it's the fact that I cant see any of the ways that they could work it. Also the crap our Wol went through as well. Would they remember what happened if not then how would they explain how our character is at the level (and I'm not speaking about like lvl 80 or 90 or whatever) that they are at. Maybe it could be considered a bit too complicated. Then there's everyone else that was involved ie Minfillia, and the ones who gave their lives also for before all that.

I guess I could also say that it slightly (and yes I say slightly) goes against the whole point of looking and learning from the past to gain a brighter future. And that's even taking in the small chance that the stories of the WoL, as you said before, where still intact.

Sorry if this doesnt sound cohesive. That scenario just seems out of place to me.

[Iscah]

I'm also quite puzzled by this sudden "now it'll be good to reunite the shards!" idea. It sounds entirely off to me.

The idea of all the remaining shards merge into one oversized planet containing all of them is not in line with how it all works, from what we've seen so far.

The original planet split into fourteen identical copies of itself, not physically split with pieces of it going to different shards.

Seven of those shards have now been rejoined, with no detectable effect on the overall shape of the planet.

Merging the remaining worlds into one super-world would be phenomenally disruptive to each individual world, and what would it actually achieve for the people who live on them?

Unless there is some actual existiential threat that requires the worlds to be merged or the entire system will collapse, then it seems far more in keeping with the theme of the story to leave the other shards intact and untouched, free to continue on as they are.

[Daralii]

Regarding this event

If Varis did not die at once, he could have named a successor (maybe even Gaius who was immediately available) to avoid another succession war, since he cares about Garlemald's future.

The scene ended with Gaius charging at someone that could probably cut through Heirsbane and kill him without breaking a sweat. If anything I expect the aftermath will be Estinen tacking Gaius and running the hell out of there while Varis continues to bleed out on the ground.