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    I don't understand why they added hagakure back. That was a terrible ability in SB's rotation and the new replacement, while a bit boring, flowed a hell of a lot better with the class as a whole. So what does adding it back do other than massively buff kenki output and appease players who liked it while making the class much harder to play in the process off of merely existing? It's a bizarre choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taranok View Post
    I don't understand why they added hagakure back. That was a terrible ability in SB's rotation and the new replacement, while a bit boring, flowed a hell of a lot better with the class as a whole. So what does adding it back do other than massively buff kenki output and appease players who liked it while making the class much harder to play in the process off of merely existing? It's a bizarre choice.
    Let's hope it was changed to only remove sen instead of giving 20 kenki per sen removed.

    Or it shares a recast time with Ikishoten. That way you can ignore it entirely if you don't specifically need to remove sen for a particular reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunarEmerald View Post
    Let's hope it was changed to only remove sen instead of giving 20 kenki per sen removed.

    Or it shares a recast time with Ikishoten. That way you can ignore it entirely if you don't specifically need to remove sen for a particular reason.
    Unfortunately there's no information on any of the 2 abilities re-added (the other being energy drain), so we can but speculate based on what has already existed.
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    Endris Caemwynn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taranok View Post
    I don't understand why they added hagakure back. That was a terrible ability in SB's rotation and the new replacement, while a bit boring, flowed a hell of a lot better with the class as a whole. So what does adding it back do other than massively buff kenki output and appease players who liked it while making the class much harder to play in the process off of merely existing? It's a bizarre choice.
    The main reason is that it gives SAM a way to reset their Sen, which was a big QoL deal.
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    Elenore Baker
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taranok View Post
    I don't understand why they added hagakure back. That was a terrible ability in SB's rotation and the new replacement, while a bit boring, flowed a hell of a lot better with the class as a whole. So what does adding it back do other than massively buff kenki output and appease players who liked it while making the class much harder to play in the process off of merely existing? It's a bizarre choice.
    I don't understand this reasoning. It existing just raises Samurai ceiling/options. If you only make use of it a little bit, that is still a gain from it existing. Just because someone else has a better time optimizing it doesn't change that you both are getting a benefit. It's only a gain. It's good that it came back.

    Samurai was simply buffed from these changes which is good as they were a bit behind when considering their lack of utility.
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    Chiseled Penguin
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Taranok View Post
    I don't understand why they added hagakure back. That was a terrible ability in SB's rotation and the new replacement, while a bit boring, flowed a hell of a lot better with the class as a whole. So what does adding it back do other than massively buff kenki output and appease players who liked it while making the class much harder to play in the process off of merely existing? It's a bizarre choice.
    Hagakure flows much better than Ikkeshoten because it allows you to manipulate your sen. Making the class WAY more flexible rotation-wise.
    With no way to manipulate your sen, you have to take a 5-6 GCD penalty if you miaslign your Higanbana refreshes.
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