Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[HWalsh]

I'm actually getting somewhat tired of tanks who pull big but don't actually get aggro. I'm not shaming this tank or anything since they apologized (but this wasn't a one time thing just with them, other tanks do it too) but would it kill tanks to actually aoe? The first two packs after the second boss of the lv 79 dungeon (9 enemies) and as a Dancer I had aggro on no less than FOUR of them.

Naturally we wipe.

And this is with tanks who have their tank stance on.

AoE'ing is pretty much all I do when I'm trying big pulls.

4, 6, 5

AoE hit 1, AoE CD, AoE hit 2 - If I decide to focus a target (for some reason, because that's the DPS's job, mine is to hold aggro and mitigate damage) I go with my 3 hit single target chain, followed by my AoE chain.

What tank, in their right mind, doesn't use their AoEs when gaining emnity?

[van_arn]

AoE'ing is pretty much all I do when I'm trying big pulls.

4, 6, 5

AoE hit 1, AoE CD, AoE hit 2 - If I decide to focus a target (for some reason, because that's the DPS's job, mine is to hold aggro and mitigate damage) I go with my 3 hit single target chain, followed by my AoE chain.

What tank, in their right mind, doesn't use their AoEs when gaining emnity?

Gestures to the rest of the 2000+ page thread.

Dungeon tanking is still the simplest role in the game, made even easier with the aggro/aoe changes, but somehow it gets messed up consistently.

Raid/Extreme/Savage tanking might as well be its own role. To compare it to dungeon tanking doesn't even make sense.

[Mavrias]

a really stupid dark knight just a few minutes ago, he wants titania ex MT, i say ok, but you will need a 4th marked for tether since i am warrior and holmgang is only 6 seconds.

him: you can take 3

me: no i cant. how do i take a third hit if they are every 6 seconds and holmgang is 6 seconds? *starts countdown before i finish* *fight starts*

then i proceed to die both tethers and he blacklists and kicks me from the party. i think so anyway since i couldnt join when they had the empty spot, i refreshed list and tried to join multiple times wanting to ask why he is stupid.

you cooldown through the first two and holmgang the third.

[MisterMKay]

So a wonderful gem from today.

Finally decide to open up Expert Roulette and went to complete the Twinning (and Akademia, but that was fine.) Me as RDM first time, SCH first time, SMN mentor, and DRK. First thing I notice is the DRK is a sprout. When I check what they have open, I see 60 GNB, a 2 ARC, and 53 SAM. I'm assuming it was a jump-pot DRK because the run hurt. We wiped twice before the first boss due to aggro being spotty and the DRK's HP ping-ponging everywhere. Wipe on the first boss due to someone opening the adds. I explain the mechanics and we try again. One container opens, but everything is mostly fine, other than the DRK HP going crazy. The SCH apologizes and I'm like, it's fine. Second boss goes well enough.

Third boss. Explain the mechanics of delayed AOEs and off we go. The DRK dies every single time we reach about 60% and I start tanking. And I tried. Vercure as I'm getting 20K autos to the face. Each time the DRK is raised, he let's me tank and just waits for the AOEs to go off. Now maybe I'm in the wrong, but I would assume the boss can be Provoked back. But each time the DRK stands there and watches me die. Before the third time, the DRK remarks we try one more time and then he needs to eat dinner., inferring an abandon. When I inevitably tank and he's revived, I ask in chat "Provoke plz." And then I'm dead. And then everyone else is dead. DRK tells me that maybe I should heal. As three of us run back, he d/cs to go to dinner without any word. Like, didn't leave the instance. Just d/ced assuming we'd still be there when he got back.

Kick for offline, get a new tank (PLD) and we manage to run the boss once with no deaths and mechanics running smoothly. PLD maybe got below 50% HP once and as far as I recall, I didn't see them use Clemency. SCH did absolutely fine and had no problems healing.

And I left a mountain of salt behind in the Twinning. D:

[Hash_Browns]

a really stupid dark knight just a few minutes ago, he wants titania ex MT, i say ok, but you will need a 4th marked for tether since i am warrior and holmgang is only 6 seconds.

him: you can take 3

me: no i cant. how do i take a third hit if they are every 6 seconds and holmgang is 6 seconds? *starts countdown before i finish* *fight starts*

then i proceed to die both tethers and he blacklists and kicks me from the party. i think so anyway since i couldnt join when they had the empty spot, i refreshed list and tried to join multiple times wanting to ask why he is stupid.

Admittedly it's easier to take 3 tethers with the other tanks, but you have cooldowns for a reason.

[LunarEmerald]

AoE'ing is pretty much all I do when I'm trying big pulls.

4, 6, 5

AoE hit 1, AoE CD, AoE hit 2 - If I decide to focus a target (for some reason, because that's the DPS's job, mine is to hold aggro and mitigate damage) I go with my 3 hit single target chain, followed by my AoE chain.

What tank, in their right mind, doesn't use their AoEs when gaining emnity?

The problem is when tanks run past mobs instead of hitting them with an aoe. If you simply run past them then any little thing will draw aggro away. But that said: a dancer shouldn't be using standard or technical step in the middle of pulling. Of course they'll rip aggro right off because the burst from that is insane.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

a really stupid dark knight just a few minutes ago, he wants titania ex MT, i say ok, but you will need a 4th marked for tether since i am warrior and holmgang is only 6 seconds.

him: you can take 3

me: no i cant. how do i take a third hit if they are every 6 seconds and holmgang is 6 seconds? *starts countdown before i finish* *fight starts*

then i proceed to die both tethers and he blacklists and kicks me from the party. i think so anyway since i couldnt join when they had the empty spot, i refreshed list and tried to join multiple times wanting to ask why he is stupid.

Well, actually he is right, you can take 3. While WAR can't take two hits with holmgang, you don't need anything for the first and you can take the second hit with your normal cooldowns before you activate holmgang for the third. But then again, there is no need to do it this way in the first place as there are enough party members to swap anyway.

[Mesarthim]

The problem is when tanks run past mobs instead of hitting them with an aoe. If you simply run past them then any little thing will draw aggro away. But that said: a dancer shouldn't be using standard or technical step in the middle of pulling. Of course they'll rip aggro right off because the burst from that is insane.

Yeah but I'm not talking about "while pulling" I'm talking about a solid 10+ seconds after the mobs have already been gathered.

[LunarEmerald]

Yeah but I'm not talking about "while pulling" I'm talking about a solid 10+ seconds after the mobs have already been gathered.

That's another problem. A lot of tanks will sit still for a bit then take off again. It's like they decided to stop there then changed their mind.

[Talinthis]

Well, actually he is right, you can take 3. While WAR can't take two hits with holmgang, you don't need anything for the first and you can take the second hit with your normal cooldowns before you activate holmgang for the third. But then again, there is no need to do it this way in the first place as there are enough party members to swap anyway.

Admittedly it's easier to take 3 tethers with the other tanks, but you have cooldowns for a reason.

i can try it out next time time. i popped every cooldown i had but i still died both times. it felt like you need a shield on top of it to survive. it does around 200,000 damage with no cooldowns