Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Gaethan_Tessula]

You think you've seen bad tanks? Let me tell you about the time I, a Black Mage, tanked nearly the entirety of Amarout.

We get into the dungeon. A GNB, a SCH, a BRD, and my BLM. GNB kinda just... sits there... for 30s before sprinting into the first pull. Without tank stance on. While mashing single target 1-2-3 and nothing else. The mobs spill over the rest of the party, with most deciding to beat my squishy wizard in the face after the first Flare caught a lot of them. SCH plays HP ping pong because the mobs are still spread out over everyone, but pulls through. We tell the tank to turn on tank stance. He silently does, so he CAN understand us and isn't a bot.

Next pull, he mashes 1-2-3 again. I get ALL the mobs except the one he's tunneling. Godlike SCH keeps me so healed and shielded that I rarely get interrupted by the mosh pit around me (first time in AGES I've used Surecast as anything except knockback prevention lol).

We get to the boss. Tank doesn't move for ANYTHING. Not Final Star, not the building collapsing, nothing. At least this time he's actually using cooldowns, which is the only reason he survives the encounter.

We get to the next pull. 1-2-3 and the rest of us ripping aggro everywhere, AGAIN. We tell him to use his AoE next pull, and he does! ...for like half the encounter, and then it's 1-2-3 and mobs beating my face in. SCH and Manaward keeps me alive.

GNB is totally lost in the second boss encounter once the add phase hits. Mobs running between DPS and healer as we keep aggro from one another mitigates the damage. Also the SCH is really good.

GNB does the last set of pulls very sloppily, despite remembering to sometimes AoE. At the last boss, we take the time to describe things like "go on a side platform when the big laser comes out." For the first minute, he actually complies and this looks like a normal dungeon for once. Then, he refuses to move when the boss leaps forward, and dies. Now I'M tanking. I wind up tanking the rest of the fight, because once he's back up the tank never uses Provoke. Then he dies to the laser that he previously handled correctly. The SCH doesn't bother to rez him again, and I tank the rest of the encounter without much difficulty thanks to the SCH.

We criticize the GNB (and praise the SCH) afterwards, because that was a hell of a bad showing. GNB does the shrug emote, and then leaves without a word.

Thanks to the SCH and the BRD (they were using Minne and Troubadour well), it wasn't all that bad an experience all things considered. I even got two commendations out of it (one probably from the tank because my grilling was the least scathing lol).

[DonovanLifeweaver]

Yet again people are too focused on how something is said, rather than what is being said.

The further you advance, the less you should expect others to put up with undergearing/underperforming.

If a random at 65 gets mad at a tank that doesn't know they need tank stance and cooldowns, the jerk is the tank for wasting a party's time -- not the random on a tirade.

Heck, the random is giving that tank a very deserved what-for, considering how far they've come and how little they show for it.

it's awkward because i play tank alot lately i have NOT seen the need or use to burn my cooldowns in a group so far, probably because the healers did a vry good job at keeping me up.
and im guessing you're a dps from the way you talk..so if the healer does his job.... the tank does his job and the 1st dps does his job and you dont ...whos making the whole group waste its time? the tank not using his CD because he has confidence in his group? or you thats not doing your job?

[Skivvy]

You don't really deserve civility if you show up without a right side. Just get out and quit for all I care.

Civility is deserved, remaining in a party may not be. I haven't been reading most of the recent pages, if someone did in fact show up with half a side missing, it's easy enough to tell them. If they don't have the gear on them to equip, kick them if you feel like it. I'm failing to see where this gives you the OK to turn into an arse.

[Kaylessa]

Civility is deserved, remaining in a party may not be. I haven't been reading most of the recent pages, if someone did in fact show up with half a side missing, it's easy enough to tell them. If they don't have the gear on them to equip, kick them if you feel like it. I'm failing to see where this gives you the OK to turn into an arse.

People need to be reminded of the rules every so often:

"Offensive expression" means an expression in general that inflicts emotional distress by being offensive to another person. Offensive expression may include:

・Aggressive expressions such as violent language/slander/insult/threat.
・Expressions that provoke or belittle another person, such as excessive criticism, negation/ridicule
・Expressions that significantly lack consideration for another person
・Expressions that unilaterally reject another person's opinion
・Expressions that any reasonable person would find offensive
・Expressions that compel a playing style
・Expressions that attempt to unilaterally exclude someone from the game or content/community, etc.
(Except when in accordance with rules set by an administrator such as a Free Company Master)
・Expressions that contravene public order and morals
・Other expressions that are offensive to another person

[van_arn]

Giving players the 'what for' is a reportable offense under harassment. If you keep asking them to turn on tank stance and they don't, just kick them.

EDIT: Well, they would select harassment but actually specify 'nuisance behavior'

Didn't matter to me. My style is to kick with a glib comment, but if someone wants to show up unprepared that makes them the instigator at higher levels. I'll happily watch a party tear that player apart.

[Kaylessa]

Didn't matter to me. My style is to kick with a glib comment, but if someone wants to show up unprepared that makes them the instigator at higher levels. I'll happily watch a party tear that player apart.

And they can all be reported for tearing that player apart. People are free to choose whether to take that risk if they are informed, but don't promote that stuff when people may not know they can be suspended for it.

[SturmChurro]

it's awkward because i play tank alot lately i have NOT seen the need or use to burn my cooldowns in a group so far, probably because the healers did a vry good job at keeping me up.
and im guessing you're a dps from the way you talk..so if the healer does his job.... the tank does his job and the 1st dps does his job and you dont ...whos making the whole group waste its time? the tank not using his CD because he has confidence in his group? or you thats not doing your job?

You've gotta be joking.

And they can all be reported for tearing that player apart. People are free to choose whether to take that risk if they are informed, but don't promote that stuff when people may not know they can be suspended for it.

You simply don't put any evidence in the chat. Keep it clean. The kick would be justified under what was it? Different playstyle or something? My mind is blank right now.

Never mind I didn't read the whole thing. Yeah, if they get suspended whatever, that's on them.

[Kaylessa]

You've gotta be joking.

Oh, and btw, I'm fairly certain this is the same person who said healing in FFXIV is hard compared to WoW. Hard and yet 'who needs cooldowns'

[van_arn]

And they can all be reported for tearing that player apart. People are free to choose whether to take that risk if they are informed, but don't promote that stuff when people may not know they can be suspended for it.

So many in this community seem to think being able to report someone somehow makes whatever misanthropic, lazy, inconsiderate thing they want to do somehow virtuous. Just because your fees get hurt when someone tells you not to show your face in a dungeon without gear doesn't mean your report matters.

No; what I've seen over the years is the GMs have a sense of context, and if someone earns a telling-off it'll be overlooked as long as a line to straight up abuse isn't crossed. ESPECIALLY if that perceived telling-off is educational ("why are you even here if you can't cast more than physick")

It is important to distance that person before things escalate, but you can certainly give them a piece of your mind or happily let others do so in your stead.

This is because our gms actually think for themselves usually, and often consider both perspectives.

[SturmChurro]

Just because your fees get hurt when someone tells you not to show your face in a dungeon without gear doesn't mean your report matters.

Such a good quote.

It is important to distance that person before things escalate, but you can certainly give them a piece of your mind or happily let others do in your stead.

A man after my own heart. I love this. You've gotta be smart to pull this off.