Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[CazzT]

Don't you think that if somebody is just pressing random buttons (Like "Full Thrust" on dragoon over and over) that's a pretty good indicator that they haven't read the tooltips past a cursory glance?

Just sayin...

Never seen anyone do this, even someone who doesn't know what their abilities do. But are we really going to use extreme outlier cases in the argument to justify being a jerk?

[SerLuke]

Don't you think that if somebody is just pressing random buttons (Like "Full Thrust" on dragoon over and over) that's a pretty good indicator that they haven't read the tooltips past a cursory glance?

Just sayin...

That was me as a very new player 4 years ago , well more like PLD with rage of halone but still I had no idea how to play or what a 3 step combo was and someone kindly took the time to explain and I understood and started doing it.

[SturmChurro]

Oddly I am not surprised by this at all. After all it tends to be a common mindset of those that get frustrated by those who take the lazy way out and think everyone else will just carry them. Perfectly fine with helping genuine new players and those trying to improve, and next to no patience for the ones that disrespectfully leech off of everyone else's efforts. It all boils down to if the person put in the effort to repesct their fellow party members before queuing up.

As to the leeches... they really should be kicked more frequently than they are, but its often just faster and safer to just finish whatever unless you are already wiping like crazy. As never know when its a group of them queued together.

Yes, people who are putting in next to no effort, dragging the entire party down for long periods of time, and yes they somehow tend to be grouped up with a random person in the party. If you say anything they like to kick at last boss, frequently. I don't care though even if someone is grouped up with another, I will say something. I get kicked quite often at the last boss, which is just them thinking they are cute.

There is a difference between a new player struggling with mechanics, and a "leech". Those two healers I posted in the screenshot above? we only wiped once each time, after I adjusted my pulls, and I timed my dcd usage when I wanted to do a big pull. Contrary to popular belief I did not berate them, and my chat would have gone no further in the other one if that mentor hadn't tried to lecture me. Unfortunate that the healer left in that run (bardam's mettle), he had successfully healed through two of the hardest large pulls in that dungeon. He was home free, nothing left would have been as difficult to heal as those he healed. I truly did not think I was being "rude" by saying he needed new gear. He was struggling on the pulls, but I easily made it possible for him to heal those with my dcd usage, the second time on the exact same pull he was able to heal me. Me ssaying "it's your fault" was admittedly a little too far, but everything else was just me arguing with the mentor.

Don't you think that if somebody is just pressing random buttons (Like "Full Thrust" on dragoon over and over) that's a pretty good indicator that they haven't read the tooltips past a cursory glance?

Just sayin...

That might be so, but in a frontline scenario it is not worth it to single out one person and kick them out for it. It's frontline. If that is going to happen I would want mass kicks for all the others doing the exact same things, and we should start with the players mouthing off who also have no idea what they are doing.

[Keddera_StormMoon]

That was me as a very new player 4 years ago , well more like PLD with rage of halone but still I had no idea how to play or what a 3 step combo was and someone kindly took the time to explain and I understood and started doing it.

And I was that n00b Black Mage that spammed Fire 3 over and over. I get it man.

My post was more to answer the false claim that you can't know if somebody isn't reading tooltips. My counterclaim is that you can. What you choose to do with that info is another story entirely.

Me, I'll at least "Try" to mentor them. Some just don't have it in them to do that though and I understand.

[kidalutz]

Don't you think that if somebody is just pressing random buttons (Like "Full Thrust" on dragoon over and over) that's a pretty good indicator that they haven't read the tooltips past a cursory glance?

Just sayin...

well one dragoon in pvp has their combos baked into one button. so you couldnt really tell from that.

[van_arn]

Yet again people are too focused on how something is said, rather than what is being said.

The further you advance, the less you should expect others to put up with undergearing/underperforming.

If a random at 65 gets mad at a tank that doesn't know they need tank stance and cooldowns, the jerk is the tank for wasting a party's time -- not the random on a tirade.

Heck, the random is giving that tank a very deserved what-for, considering how far they've come and how little they show for it.

[Skivvy]

Yet again people are too focused on how something is said, rather than what is being said.

The further you advance, the less you should expect others to put up with undergearing/underperforming.

If a random at 65 gets mad at a tank that doesn't know they need tank stance and cooldowns, the jerk is the tank for wasting a party's time -- not the random on a tirade.

Heck, the random is giving that tank a very deserved what-for, considering how far they've come and how little they show for it.

How things are said make a world of difference though. And it can also be the difference between someone just writing you off as a condescending prat or maybe actually taking your advice to heart and seeing how they can improve.

It's not hard to be civil, and despite what was implied up above, being civil does not have to equate to talking to people like "Pretty-please can you look into upgrading your gear and maybe turning on tank stance if you have a moment?".

[van_arn]

How things are said make a world of difference though. And it can also be the difference between someone just writing you off as a condescending prat or maybe actually taking your advice to heart and seeing how they can improve.

It's not hard to be civil, and despite what was implied up above, being civil does not have to equate to talking to people like "Pretty-please can you look into upgrading your gear and maybe turning on tank stance if you have a moment?".

You don't really deserve civility if you show up without a right side. Just get out and quit for all I care.

[Rockazoid]

I was in the Crystal tower raid.
Our tank didn't have have his aggro stance on and when I politely pointed it out he said "no. Lowers my DPS"

Like: 1 your a tank. DPS isn't your job. Obviously do as much as you can but PRIORITY is keep hate.

2. No. It. Does. Not.
They took that from all 4 tanks. No longer is there a loss.

He didn't hold aggro at all. Kept getting mad and just going afk. Finally both healers stopped healing him. And we enlisted the other two tanks to shirk each other back and forth and share his role. Our tank obviously kept getting mad at no heals or Rez. I finally told him "just be a dragoon and tank the ground. It's all you've been doing"

Intermixed I would jokingly lash at the Rdm or Samurai for stealing aggro like "how dare you do your job?"

Retrospect I feel immature.

[Kaylessa]

Yet again people are too focused on how something is said, rather than what is being said.

The further you advance, the less you should expect others to put up with undergearing/underperforming.

If a random at 65 gets mad at a tank that doesn't know they need tank stance and cooldowns, the jerk is the tank for wasting a party's time -- not the random on a tirade.

Heck, the random is giving that tank a very deserved what-for, considering how far they've come and how little they show for it.

Giving players the 'what for' is a reportable offense under harassment. If you keep asking them to turn on tank stance and they don't, just kick them.

EDIT: Well, they would select harassment but actually specify 'nuisance behavior'