And so it continues, even from the community team...

[Saefinn]

They specifically asked not to provide any feedback on skills since they already probably finalized 5.05 changes and want the feedback on their changes, not the current skill set. I'm afraid any such questions will be outright ignored until 5.05 hits.

Whilst I'd normally say "that's reasonable" to that. But if the question relates to something that has nothing to do with the changes they make, then it's still a valid question. I just don't see them making fundamental changes that are needed in a patch, especially so early but if they make me eat my words and surprise me on this, I'll be happy and be less of a naysayer in future. But they've never done the big changes in patch, only expansions.

What the changes may address is things like the disparity between AST's ability to heal and SCH/WHM's abilities to heal as there is a bad there and this can be changed with tweaks.
What changes I doubt they'd address is how the 3 healers play in content, why people are saying they're bored or don't like playing healers anymore.

[Miziliti]

I hope people can word their feedback carefully and specifically. Engaging is not exactly equal to fun. the current AST is engaging AF. Have to manage cards, mirror arcana, and seals in between healing and dpsing. Have to heal extra more due to weaker healing potency. I could manage in dungeon, but I'm pretty sure I won't in any post 80 high end duty content. More importantly, it's not fun.

[Connor]

It seemed to me like there are going to be some ‘major’ adjustments to jobs rather than just base potency adjustments. So they’re asking for players to hold on feedback until they play the jobs with this ‘adjusted’ playstyle compared to now.

Not saying this is what’s really happening, just how I saw it.

[galbsadi]

Whilst I'd normally say "that's reasonable" to that. But if the question relates to something that has nothing to do with the changes they make, then it's still a valid question. I just don't see them making fundamental changes that are needed in a patch, especially so early but if they make me eat my words and surprise me on this, I'll be happy and be less of a naysayer in future. But they've never done the big changes in patch, only expansions.

What the changes may address is things like the disparity between AST's ability to heal and SCH/WHM's abilities to heal as there is a bad there and this can be changed with tweaks.
What changes I doubt they'd address is how the 3 healers play in content, why people are saying they're bored or don't like playing healers anymore.

I wouldn't quite say 'never.'

I remember 4.0 and what they did to us (Scholars) then, and they did fix it in 4.05 (arguably, even went to far and made us a bit too powerful). I'll at least give them that shot....I mean, what's two more days, right?

[Saefinn]

I wouldn't quite say 'never.'

I remember 4.0 and what they did to us (Scholars) then, and they did fix it in 4.05 (arguably, even went to far and made us a bit too powerful). I'll at least give them that shot....I mean, what's two more days, right?

4.05 tweaked abilities so timers and potencies were better as well as adjusting range of certain abilities, rather than fundamental changes to how the job plays. That kind of thing ties with what I said for my expectations, except my comment used what AST needed that they'd likely tweak as an example.

But SE has historically only left the fundamental changes or made any needed reworks at the point of expansion. EG by the end of Stormblood MCH had all the right balance and numbers and in terms of balance and DPS it was in a good place, but why people hated it and complained was never addressed until ShB because it needed some pretty fundamental changes for people to enjoy it. I feel that is where we are with healers. Whilst I accept there is the very slim chance SE make an exception to the rule, but given a long history of playing this game and issues certain jobs have had during that time, I've yet to see any exception to the rule.


It's not that I don't think they won't fix issues. It's more I don't think the kind of fixes that come in patches would be enough. If healers are well balanced, it's not going to address the majority of the complaints coming out of the healer forums.

That said, I am happy if SE make me eat my own words and surprise us and say "here are some major reworks to healing that address your complaints" because then I win. WHM has already waited years for it, MCH waited a whole expansion, BRD waited a whole expansion, MNK is now 2 expansions in with core complaints about how the job plays not being address (and were led to believe they were), PLD got their's after an expansion, SCH being OP has been something since HW and IMO what has led to it being boring. To boot, with healers, it seems there is little communication going around in regards to them.
So you can see why I am sceptical.

[TonberiScholar]

Yeah cause once again it doesnt matter what happens to WHM as long as SCH and AST get thier shinies back and you wonder why WHM mains cease to care about what AST and SCH want

Except SCH and AST mains pointed out that WHM was going to end up with far less options and that Lilies were a terrible system back before Stormblood launched. They didn't listen to us, either. We just got told "wait until _____".

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...49#post5101449

Yet White Mages have been complaining about SCH since ARR and have been complaining about both of them since AST was buffed to be non-terrible back in the period between 3.07 and 3.4.

None of you ever stuck up for any changes to any Healer besides your own. It's okay, we don't expect you to now.

[Semirhage]

Except SCH and AST mains pointed out that WHM was going to end up with far less options and that Lilies were a terrible system back before Stormblood launched. They didn't listen to us, either. We just got told "wait until _____".

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...49#post5101449

Yet White Mages have been complaining about SCH since ARR and have been complaining about both of them since AST was buffed to be non-terrible back in the period between 3.07 and 3.4.

None of you ever stuck up for any changes to any Healer besides your own. It's okay, we don't expect you to now.

Considering how overpowered and meta-warping Scholar has been for the last half decade, I'd say Scholars have been doing pretty well without cheerleaders from the WHM camp.

[kidalutz]

Except SCH and AST mains pointed out that WHM was going to end up with far less options and that Lilies were a terrible system back before Stormblood launched. They didn't listen to us, either. We just got told "wait until _____".

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...49#post5101449

Yet White Mages have been complaining about SCH since ARR and have been complaining about both of them since AST was buffed to be non-terrible back in the period between 3.07 and 3.4.

None of you ever stuck up for any changes to any Healer besides your own. It's okay, we don't expect you to now.

I think all three need to be engaging and fun but yeah keep in delusion land where you all are on your own.
SCH and AST had the benefit of being stupidly overcompensated in SB And SCH was stupidly good in HW oh and ARR as well I guess you just dont remember that ipso facto either.

[Kayokane]

I don't recall WHMs complaining much about SCH in ARR, seeing how they worked so well together back then. The most complaints I saw were whms complaining about being 'nerfed' in 2.1 (it wasn't a big nerf), funny they undid the main change of that patch now in 5.0 by turning MedII back into a 100pot/15s instead of 50pot/30s.

[Lagomorph]

Considering how overpowered and meta-warping Scholar has been for the last half decade, I'd say Scholars have been doing pretty well without cheerleaders from the WHM camp.

Contrary to common belief, sch's guaranteed raid spot wasn't because of it being overpowered. It was/is because noct ast is terrible and SE has no clue how to fix it. Sch's role in the raid isn't just the "shield healer," but noct ast is basically just a nerfed white mage with shields instead of regens.