Is Ninja really that weak?

[Arkenne]

I wouldn't say it's weak because Trick Attack exists.

On the contrary, it is weak because it HAS Trick Attack.
It would be one thing if the job revolved around placing and sustaining TA on a target, but its not.
Its one out of about 18 offensive skills in the toolkit that its overshadowing all the others because it simply is there.
As it is right now, we are a 10s Vuln up debuff bot on the boss, and full time attack down debuff on the party.

But know what? Im going to give SE the benefit of the doubt:
It may NOT be because TA exists at all, but because SE thought the potencies were enough.
I mean, there are so many changes to the NIN toolkit that it may have been a tad too difficult to balance before launch and we are actually Ninja-beta-testing it.

[Laur1x]

It may NOT be because TA exists at all, but because SE thought the potencies were enough.
I mean, there are so many changes to the NIN toolkit that it may have been a tad too difficult to balance before launch and we are actually Ninja-beta-testing it.

Regardless, they buff us too much and all the NIN-haters come out full force and whine about how NIN is meta and mandatory in every static again.

The better option would be to obliterate TA, and change us into a selfish-dps role, or give us a very small support ability akin to brotherhood/dragon's eye that is much less impactful.

[IchiExorz]

Regardless, they buff us too much and all the NIN-haters come out full force and whine about how NIN is meta and mandatory in every static again.

The better option would be to obliterate TA, and change us into a selfish-dps role, or give us a very small support ability akin to brotherhood/dragon's eye that is much less impactful.

Pretty much. So I feel like SE nerfed Ninja personal DPS so they wouldn't be meta considering Trick Attack.
But imo they shoulda gone the other way, nerf Trick Attack & buff their personal damage.

[ForteNightshade]

Regardless, they buff us too much and all the NIN-haters come out full force and whine about how NIN is meta and mandatory in every static again.

The better option would be to obliterate TA, and change us into a selfish-dps role, or give us a very small support ability akin to brotherhood/dragon's eye that is much less impactful.

This may not be as pervasive an issue anymore. With FFlogs changing to Raid DPS being the default, Trick Attack isn't the easy pad it used to be. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending how you look at it), this change also highlighted how staggeringly weak Ninja is. Like... weaker than Dancer weak. For reference sake, on Innocence EX Ninja is 1k below Monk and Dragoon. And this in rDPS.