Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
If you are a decent player all you actually need is ronkan, though some party finder groups demand 443+ to enter. What I mean by decent player is, can pull good enough numbers if you are a dps to clear the boss at an efficient time (before enrage); hold your own. Heal adequately, or tank (mostly just knowing when to mitigate). Tanking innocence is actually very easy, even though I had high anxiety while doing it since I really only tank dungeons.
I just generally avoid that kinda stuff. I'm more a fan of doing it like an expansion later with a group of friends. That's me though. I just find grinding gear pointless when I can get the best gear for me at the end of the expansion. It's easier for me to just wait. I know that's not what you're supposed to do, but I'm not on forums complaining that I need the best gear for doing nothing. I kinda leave you guys to that lane and I stay in mine. Sure it's casual, but I like it.

But not to derail the discussion about having to level 17 things to 80 for a mount.