Lack of End Game Content

[savageink]

Disagree with it all you want, that doesn't change reality.

And that's where the problem is. You think it's objective. I think it's subjective. Whose reality are we talking about?

[Klb600]

And that's where the problem is. You think it's objective. I think it's subjective. Whose reality are we talking about?

There is already an objective definition of the word End-Game. You are free to have your own warped view of it if you like.

[savageink]

There is already an object definition of the word End-Game. You are free to have your own warped view of it if you like.

Dead horse. Beaten. Bye.

[Kaylessa]

And that's where the problem is. You think it's objective. I think it's subjective. Whose reality are we talking about?

It's objective. That is the accepted definition of the word. I disagree with the meaning of many words, but that doesn't change what the words mean. Neither you, nor I, are the gatekeepers of the English language.

So when people say "there's a lack of endgame content" they are using the common meaning of the word, not the meaning you think it ought to be.

[mario710]

It's objective. That is the accepted definition of the word. I disagree with the meaning of many words, but that doesn't change what the words mean. Neither you, nor I, are the gatekeepers of the English language.

So when people say "there's a lack of endgame content" they are using the common meaning of the word, not the meaning you think it ought to be.

Beautifully said, Queen.

[linay]

It's objective. That is the accepted definition of the word. I disagree with the meaning of many words, but that doesn't change what the words mean. Neither you, nor I, are the gatekeepers of the English language.

So when people say "there's a lack of endgame content" they are using the common meaning of the word, not the meaning you think it ought to be.

Even then, endgame does not imply difficulty setting or format. It only refers to the final stage of a game. Only, in an ongoing game like an MMO, it is slightly modified to specify where the game takes a pause in some way like reaching temporary level cap.

Level 80 MSQ is endgame content even though MSQ itself starts at level 1. And things like crafting can also be part of endgame content even if crafting itself also starts at level 1 (or level 10 if you count your first DoW/DoM class) because there is part of crafting that can only be done at level cap or is done for the purpose of helping with doing other endgame content.

While leveling itself is not endgame content, having multiple jobs at level cap for one character means more tools for your character just like getting optional gears, and it feeds into gearing for those additional jobs and completing endgame quests that require different roles or different jobs and provides variability to doing endgame content, which lengthens the time you play endgame content (aka level cap content).

[Kaylessa]

While leveling itself is not endgame content, having multiple jobs at level cap for one character means more tools for your character just like getting optional gears, and it feeds into gearing for those additional jobs and completing endgame quests that require different roles or different jobs and provides variability to doing endgame content, which lengthens the time you play endgame content (aka level cap content).

The time consuming part is the leveling, not the doing of max level content which is the point I believe. That once you finish leveling your jobs there really isn't all that much max lvl content to do.

[linay]

The time consuming part is the leveling, not the doing of max level content which is the point I believe. That once you finish leveling your jobs there really isn't all that much max lvl content to do.

Yes, but it's all related, which is perhaps another reason why we have the amount of content we have (aside from not having enough people), because they have to factor in time for people to level multiple jobs and gear them at reasonable pace.

[Kaylessa]

Yes, but it's all related, which is perhaps another reason why we have the amount of content we have (aside from not having enough people), because they have to factor in time for people to level multiple jobs and gear them at reasonable pace.

Everything in a game is related in some way, that's really not the point. The point being expressed is that there isn't enough max level content for those who enjoy max level content. Pointing to progression or leveling content and saying "look content" is just not addressing the issue

[linay]

Everything in a game is related in some way, that's really not the point.

Well maybe it should, because if they're related, then they will have an effect on each other in how the game is made as a whole, which includes how many endgame content there is to be played. So if people don't enjoy the majority of content available in this game, there is a high probability that they will never be satisfied with the game unless the few things that they do enjoy takes enough time to justify their continued subscription. Otherwise, they'll probably just have to be satisfied with only subscribing for parts of the expansion (if not quitting entirely). And since Yoshida has said he's ok with people unsubscribing when they don't want to do anything in the game, I think it really does mean he's satisfied with the current endgame content, and probably there are enough players who are content as well, more or less.