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    Quote Originally Posted by LiteBrite View Post
    And it's against their terms of service to use them. But that's none of my business...
    Their usage is tolerated, as long as it's not used against other people
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    Quote Originally Posted by NekoNova View Post
    Their usage is tolerated, as long as it's not used against other people
    No it's not.

    I can care less about parsers, but read the rules before spreading that kind of falsehoods..

    ■Behaviour that disrupts the game balance
    Square Enix strictly prohibits the use of third-party programs or tools – including programs and tools that permit automated or “absentee” play – in Final Fantasy XIV. Accordingly, the following activities are prohibited:

    - Modifying, analysing, integrating, and/or reverse engineering game software or data.
    - Creating, distributing, using, or promoting utilities that interact with the game.
    Square Enix - Prohibited Activities
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardox View Post
    No it's not.

    I can care less about parsers, but read the rules before spreading that kind of falsehoods..



    Square Enix - Prohibited Activities
    He's actually right. Yoshi P said that they're OK as long as you don't talk about them or abuse others. The TOS clearly says no, but they will only enforce it on those that abuse others with them.

    https://youtu.be/3-WXYg-S05U?t=363
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alucard135 View Post
    He's actually right. Yoshi P said that they're OK as long as you don't talk about them or abuse others. The TOS clearly says no, but they will only enforce it on those that abuse others with them.

    https://youtu.be/3-WXYg-S05U?t=363
    I stand corrected.. Though that interview dates from 2014
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardox View Post
    I stand corrected.. Though that interview dates from 2014
    That's true. But he still goes by it. He's been watching world first clears for ultimate and savage on twitch and all of them are using parsers but he never stated against it. It's the same rule for mods and reshade. Since they don't give any advatange for pc users over ps4 players. But you don't talk about them in game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardox View Post
    No it's not.

    I can care less about parsers, but read the rules before spreading that kind of falsehoods..



    Square Enix - Prohibited Activities
    Interact: (to) act in such a way as to have an effect on another.
    A parser does not have an effect on the game whatsoever. The game doesn't even know the parser exists. The parser doesn't even look at the game itself. The parser literally translates log files that are already saved on your computer to an easier format to read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Typhoria View Post
    Interact: (to) act in such a way as to have an effect on another.
    A parser does not have an effect on the game whatsoever. The game doesn't even know the parser exists. The parser doesn't even look at the game itself. The parser literally translates log files that are already saved on your computer to an easier format to read.
    If you want to play on words:
    1) Interaction can be direct or indirect. If the parser change the player behavior, then you have a indirect relationship.
    2) Parsing give you an advantage (which is also brohibited) — or it don't give you an advantage (so why use it?)
    3) it also fall under analyzing and/or retro engineer the data

    You might find the wording weak, but you would stand no change to fight a suspension of account with that argument
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardox View Post
    If you want to play on words:
    1) Interaction can be direct or indirect. If the parser change the player behavior, then you have a indirect relationship.
    2) Parsing give you an advantage (which is also brohibited) — or it don't give you an advantage (so why use it?)
    3) it also fall under analyzing and/or retro engineer the data

    You might find the wording weak, but you would stand no change to fight a suspension of account with that argument
    Well you just cherry picked a portion of a rule that would seem to fit your argument.

    ■Behaviour that disrupts the game balance

    Square Enix strictly prohibits the use of third-party programs or tools – including programs and tools that permit automated or “absentee” play – in Final Fantasy XIV. Accordingly, the following activities are prohibited:

    - Modifying, analysing, integrating, and/or reverse engineering game software or data.
    - Creating, distributing, using, or promoting utilities that interact with the game.
    - Exploiting Square Enix programming bugs or glitches.
    - Automating gameplay processes.

    Emphasis on the part that is in bold. To even violate the latter parts, it has to be disrupting balance to begin with. Plainly viewing data that is already recorded by the game itself has no effect on the game balance. The data that this rule refers to is regarding positions and timers that would be used to automate. This would involve hacking into the game code itself, which again the parser doesn't do.
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