Why are white mages allergic to regen?

[Fynlar]

I never said a second healer wasn't convenient, especially when people are inexperienced. But when it *can* be solo healed with minimal GCD healing, it's a problem.

Why is it a "problem" for seasoned, experienced groups to be able to more easily handle a fight, especially a "story mode" fight that isn't even supposed to be particularly difficult? It doesn't change the fact most PUG groups aren't of that caliber.

The only "problem" here is when people assume that just because their raid groups can follow mechanics with no mishaps, everyone else should be able to as well.

[Typhoria]

Why is it a "problem" for seasoned, experienced groups to be able to more easily handle a fight, especially a "story mode" fight that isn't even supposed to be particularly difficult? It doesn't change the fact most PUG groups aren't of that caliber.

The only "problem" here is when people assume that just because their raid groups can follow mechanics with no mishaps, everyone else should be able to as well.

Glad you read my whole post. Did you miss the whole part about a tank and a healer can literally clear Titan themselves? Healer MP is inconsequential, with the exception of casting multiple rezzes in a short time span. On Titania, groups don't even care about the frost runes, because it doesn't matter. If you read one of my previous posts, 1 healer can literally tunnel heal a tank with Cure/Physick/Benefic on Innocence while having oGCDs for raid errors. The second healer there can provide the oGCDs to fill the gaps from the first. After pretty much 2 vulnerability, whomever has it will be dead from the next hit. The opportunity to really heal is really diminished.

[TaleraRistain]

Having been a white mage since ARR I kind of have a WTF reaction because our HoTs have always been our bread and butter. Regen and Forget It is what has allowed us to dps in the past, since we could Largesse and Regen and then Holy spam.

The duration of our HoTs has been reduced in ShB so that's the only argument I could see for using actual heals.

[NorthernLadMSP]

I love my Regen. Love my Medica II and Asylum. I take full advantage of all my skills so that I can help DPS as much as comfortable.

I could ask, though, why are so many tanks allergic to using their CD's? Especially huge trash pulls.

[SleepyNeko]

I think its because currently WHM is doing great dps so many of them want to lad their parse by letting the other healer do most of the healing. As an AST I default to Noct when paired with a WHM but many of them never use a single regen, even when the tank is dropping to 30%. They still use ogcd healing skills but that it will run out especially with some people failing mechanics.

[NanaWiloh]

I think its because currently WHM is doing great dps so many of them want to lad their parse by letting the other healer do most of the healing. As an AST I default to Noct when paired with a WHM but many of them never use a single regen, even when the tank is dropping to 30%. They still use ogcd healing skills but that it will run out especially with some people failing mechanics.

There is a reason why people are starting to call whm Glare mages. If they use any GCD heal its a hit to their dps so they are avoiding it. Someone on another thread posted FFlogs for shb 4 mans and whm is at the bottom healing wise, but at the top on dmg. It really shows what whm has become a Burst healer who dps firsts heals second and only when needed. Ill lay a good bet whm will have the lowest hps in savage but highest dps out of all healers

[Fynlar]

Glad you read my whole post. Did you miss the whole part about a tank and a healer can literally clear Titan themselves?

Yeah, and WARs could solo Calofisteri. Seen it happen, too. It's what happens when you don't put a stack mechanic in the fight, and as far as I can remember Titan just so happens to not have one. This stuff obviously won't fly in Savage because everything will have an enrage timer, so meh.

It doesn't really matter in the long run, because the number of players who would attempt (and can accomplish) something like this aren't that great in number anyway, and even if they do try, they're likely to be told off by their party members for prolonging a fight to a ridiculous extreme instead of just wiping it and starting over. Everyone has had That Guy who tries to see how long he can stall the boss alone before he finally dies, even if everyone knows his efforts are futile. They're not heroic, they're annoying.

On Titania, groups don't even care about the frost runes, because it doesn't matter.

Actually it's because what usually happens is when people try to dodge it they get hit by 2 which actually might matter, so they figure why not just stay in the center, get hit by 1, and keep up optimal DPS to boot? Makes sense to me.

To me this isn't much different from tank LB3 on Byakko add. I don't see the "problem" here, it's just the smarter play.

The opportunity to really heal is really diminished.

People keep saying this, but that's just not been my experience trying to heal the current hardest content (which isn't even THAT hard of content). I've been kept busy enough, whether it be due to people failing to dodge things, tanks forgetting to CD busters, or lazy cohealers.

[Raven2014]

I think its because currently WHM is doing great dps so many of them want to lad their parse by letting the other healer do most of the healing. As an AST I default to Noct when paired with a WHM but many of them never use a single regen, even when the tank is dropping to 30%. They still use ogcd healing skills but that it will run out especially with some people failing mechanics.

It has been said many times the main reason you don't see WHM use regen/medica 2 in pug because it's pointless. The co-healers 9/10 time, heck make that 19/20 times will top over the ticks, essentially turn them into overheal. But I guess it's a psycology problem when the other healers see the regen tick they don't feel as if the WHM doesn't do anything, even if the ticks themselves do nothing.

[Raven2014]

People keep saying this, but that's just not been my experience trying to heal the current hardest content (which isn't even THAT hard of content). I've been kept busy enough, whether it be due to people failing to dodge things, tanks forgetting to CD busters, or lazy cohealers.

And this is becoming a trend in this thread, so let take a step back in this discussion and look at a different angle:

- Are we here to talk about healers, and WHM specfically, of not doing their jobs?
- Or we are here to talk about how WHM are not dedicating every fiber of their being in covering other people failures?

I start feeling there seem to be a weird prejudice here, like "you're not really making any mistake yourself, but you are not doing enough to cover people mistake, so it becomes YOUR mistake". People seem to think because the collective failure is so great it should be just forgiven, and just heap the responsibility on a single point failure instead - aka the WHM?

I mean, it seems most people are telling healers (and WHM) that you're healing df, you have pug tanks and DPS, learn to adjust and do more ... then should it be unreasonable for the WHM to says the same? Something like: well, you're in DF and having pug healers, deal with it. I don't think so far in this entire thread I have seen a post where someone say "I do everything right and the healer still let me die", what exist in abundance however is the "I make mistake but it's not my fault I died, it's the WHM fault for not cover my mistake for me".

[AnimaAnimus]

No pun intended, right?

I...I....couldn't help myself LOL