FFXIV Housing = UNBELIEVABLY INFURIATING!

[Almagnus1]

Not gonna happen. Many of those players got their houses 'fairly' according to the rules in the past. At least SE seems to think so, since they grandfathered in those houses.

It's time for SE to change their stance and fix the issue. Having one person being able to own up to 16 houses on a single account is a very large reason of why we're in this mess to begin with...

A hard no from me, to this suggestion. Many of us are in solo/duo/three person FCs because we don't want to deal with the drama of being in a larger FC.

Again, it's more of a case of people abusing the shell FCs for the sake of housing (which is what's leading to the severe housing shortage we have) that SE has to go an punish the micro FCs. And going by https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Free_Company, that means they need to maintain only 4 people in the FC... which means they can use alts, invite the alts to pad out the missing members, and keep the FC.

The entire point here isn't to punish the legitimate small FCs, but rather reduce the housing capacity per account per server from 16 down to 3 - which would free up a lot of housing and make a lot more people happier with the current situation.

SE did not have the foresight not to tie these features to housing/FC housing and partly, why we are in this mess right now.

Agreed. SE goofed with those mechanics as you can even get buffs from other sources so an FC for crafting and gardening shouldn't be necessary IMO.

Yes, please. With gardening/FC features. Also people who own houses in current housing wards should not be allowed to own instanced housing as well.

IMO if it was something like an airship or sub house, I'd agree. However, the problem that I'm trying to address is that there's an inefficient usage of ward housing, and instance housing should be used as an incentive to get people out of ward housing. Being able to own half the world is why we're having threads about the land barons LOL'ing at the plebs that don't have a house.

[MaybeOliverB]

Again, it's more of a case of people abusing the shell FCs for the sake of housing (which is what's leading to the severe housing shortage we have)

Bring out the statistics, I will gladly prove you wrong

[Almagnus1]

Bring out the statistics, I will gladly prove you wrong

How about you disclose all of the Mew's holdings by all players across all servers first?

[Imbrium]

How is your suggestion any better? If anything, there would be more competition because no one would need to put in any sort of effort. So yeah, if your goal is to upset even more players, keep on promoting your idea. If it isn't, then you're just oblivious.

How is 3-4M not a lot. A new player will have almost 1.5M by the time they complete ARR. Given how much gil is around right now and the rewards from the 3 following expansions, anyone who has picked up this game recently can afford a house. Your vision of gil making is incredibly narrow and short-sighted as you absolutely do not need to rely on crafting or farm content to acquire a few millions. This isn't 2.0 when gil was scarce outside of legacy servers.

I don't think players who are so lazy about this game and can barely come up with a few millions, despite that the game is throwing money at them, should be in a position to have a shot at housing when there are plenty of players who deserve it more than them based on effort alone.

You want the POTD mount? You grind.
You want Savage gear? You grind.
You want to level all the classes? You grind.
You want to hit gil cap? You grind.
You want a house? You grind.

This is an MMO. You are supposed to be rewarded based on the time and effort you invested in the game. If the prices go up, there will be less competition. That means less time spent using either automation or manually clicking on a placard. Isn't that what you are asking for? Or am I mistaken and you would you rather have players spend most of their free time being miserable due to the low entry fees to housing when they could actually play the game and have a good time while acquiring gil to acquire a house...

Hang on, are you comparing potd/savage to getting a house in game? In theory anyone can run potd to floor 200/farm for ponies or clear savage content- I say in theory because there are many who won't, but it's still an option to try. At any time, really since people farm old savage raids they couldn't clear before at higher levels for loot.

So how does trying to get a house when there are zero plots available compare to running content that is open to and can include everyone? Is there anything other than seasonal event items (and pvp garo coming up) that really lock you out of getting X item with gil later? Seasonal loot might even be a stretch here as SE makes it available on the mogstation later.

[MaybeOliverB]

Hang on, are you comparing potd/savage to getting a house in game? In theory anyone can run potd to floor 200/farm for ponies or clear savage content- I say in theory because there are many who won't, but it's still an option to try. At any time, really since people farm old savage raids they couldn't clear before at higher levels for loot.

So how does trying to get a house when there are zero plots available compare to running content that is open to and can include everyone? Is there anything other than seasonal event items (and pvp garo coming up) that really lock you out of getting X item with gil later? Seasonal loot might even be a stretch here as SE makes it available on the mogstation later.

Don't get things mixed up.

There are plots available... in case your server doesn't you can purchase a house from other players.

[Imbrium]

Don't get things mixed up.

There are plots available... in case your server doesn't you can purchase a house from other players.

No. That would be like you telling me I can no longer run potd for the Night Pegasus, so now I HAVE to buy it from someone for whatever they're asking. That is in no way the same thing happening with housing, and should not be compared. Older content is potentially all-inclusive, housing in its current state is not.

Edit: this isn't me chiming in with a solution either. Housing is a gigantic mess right now and there are going to be angry people no matter what SE does. If they go instanced housing people with plots will be angry about dead neighborhoods. New wards? Not enough plots. Up the cost? SE is too casual friendly to alienate that many players imo, but we'd have people ticked off about costs. Lottery? Oh god I see people who only play 2 hours a day hating this.

Tldr SE screwed up, they need to fix it and people are going to be angry no matter what. But don't compare it to inclusive content, it makes no sense.

[MaybeOliverB]

How about you disclose all of the Mew's holdings by all players across all servers first?

And what would that accomplish? I'm still waiting on your statistics to prove that a handful of players are preventing the entire NA datacenter from having access to housing.

No. That would be like you telling me I can no longer run potd for the Night Pegasus, so now I HAVE to buy it from someone for whatever they're asking. That is in no way the same thing happening with housing, and should not be compared. Older content is potentially all-inclusive, housing in its current state is not.

Edit: this isn't me chiming in with a solution either. Housing is a gigantic mess right now and there are going to be angry people no matter what SE does. If they go instanced housing people with plots will be angry about dead neighborhoods. New wards? Not enough plots. Up the cost? SE is too casual friendly to alienate that many players imo, but we'd have people ticked off about costs. Lottery? Oh god I see people who only play 2 hours a day hating this.

Tldr SE screwed up, they need to fix it and people are going to be angry no matter what. But don't compare it to inclusive content, it makes no sense.

Once again.

There are servers where housing is readily available. People just choose to ignore that option and then complain about players doing them a favor by selling houses.

Getting the pegasus mount through potd can hardly be called inclusive considering how many players even have the mount to begin with. Housing on the other hand? Well, there's nearly 300,000 plots... and for those that are occupied, let's just say that everyone has a price.

[Almagnus1]

And what would that accomplish? I'm still waiting on your statistics to prove that a handful of players are preventing the entire NA datacenter from having access to housing.

I will not honor your request until you honor mine.

[Imbrium]

And what would that accomplish? I'm still waiting on your statistics to prove that a handful of players are preventing the entire NA datacenter from having access to housing.



Once again.

There are servers where housing is readily available. People just choose to ignore that option and then complain about players doing them a favor by selling houses.

Getting the pegasus mount through potd can hardly be called inclusive considering how many players even have the mount to begin with. Housing on the other hand? Well, there's nearly 300,000 plots... and for those that are occupied, let's just say that everyone has a price.

Sorry, you aren't convincing me with the mount comparison. Once again, anyone can potentially farm it at ANY TIME. There is not an npc blocking you outside potd that says X ponies exist and have been taken, please wait for an account holder to delete their chara. There are people that don't care about mounts and don't run it; personally I'm more interested in getting the accessories and have gotten a few whistles doing it now. There are not a finite number of Pegasus Whistles, SE does not stop letting players earn them after X number has been found.

I'm on primal, and popping around the other worlds I'm not seeing free plots (Excal had 1 in the goblet with people camped). Mind you I was only checking Goblet, as it's usually where you see the empties if they're open, so I wouldn't base any hard facts on that. I, thankfully, have a house as does my fc. But if I did not, your answer would be... Move. To a lower pop server?

That's ridiculous. Why should people have to leave behind friends and raid groups for a plot of land? If NA was full go to a European or Japanese server? Then you're possibly trading a house for ping/ability to raid comfortably. That is a hard trade for decorating and fc amenities, if it is for a fc. As for everyone having a price, (In this case, for a finite resource such as housing) how does that factor in here with the rest of the arguments? It's also not a solution as the person who sold their home is now plotless and would have to fight the placard again.

Time sink does not usually equal impossible in this game. If there are 300,000 plots and 700,000 people for example, you might hit impossible because that math? Does not add up. As for inclusive vs non inclusive you can sit there and tell me 80% of the player base won't run _____, but it does not change the fact that it is open to them at any time. If a player is supposed to be rewarded for their time and investment in an mmo, but there is not enough housing to reward everyone who hits the appropriate milestone then there's an issue- which everyone here already acknowledges and is waiting to see SE's next move on.

[MaybeOliverB]

I will not honor your request until you honor mine.

Hahahaha. You make it sound like you're holding on to some secret information. As if housing ownership/availability wasn't public

I was merely giving you the opportunity to save face, but alas... I see you cannot back up your own words.

Anyone with basic mathematics knowledge can figure out that a handful of players actively using a couple hundred houses out of 300,000 plots isn't nearly as bad as the thousands who either only enter them to reset the timer or let them auto-demolish after 45 days.

Pick any server and you will find more abandoned/unfurnished personal houses than there are houses owned by the same individual(s)/group(s).