FFXIV Housing = UNBELIEVABLY INFURIATING!

[MaybeOliverB]

Hang on, are you comparing potd/savage to getting a house in game? In theory anyone can run potd to floor 200/farm for ponies or clear savage content- I say in theory because there are many who won't, but it's still an option to try. At any time, really since people farm old savage raids they couldn't clear before at higher levels for loot.

So how does trying to get a house when there are zero plots available compare to running content that is open to and can include everyone? Is there anything other than seasonal event items (and pvp garo coming up) that really lock you out of getting X item with gil later? Seasonal loot might even be a stretch here as SE makes it available on the mogstation later.

Don't get things mixed up.

There are plots available... in case your server doesn't you can purchase a house from other players.

[Imbrium]

Don't get things mixed up.

There are plots available... in case your server doesn't you can purchase a house from other players.

No. That would be like you telling me I can no longer run potd for the Night Pegasus, so now I HAVE to buy it from someone for whatever they're asking. That is in no way the same thing happening with housing, and should not be compared. Older content is potentially all-inclusive, housing in its current state is not.

Edit: this isn't me chiming in with a solution either. Housing is a gigantic mess right now and there are going to be angry people no matter what SE does. If they go instanced housing people with plots will be angry about dead neighborhoods. New wards? Not enough plots. Up the cost? SE is too casual friendly to alienate that many players imo, but we'd have people ticked off about costs. Lottery? Oh god I see people who only play 2 hours a day hating this.

Tldr SE screwed up, they need to fix it and people are going to be angry no matter what. But don't compare it to inclusive content, it makes no sense.

[MaybeOliverB]

How about you disclose all of the Mew's holdings by all players across all servers first?

And what would that accomplish? I'm still waiting on your statistics to prove that a handful of players are preventing the entire NA datacenter from having access to housing.

No. That would be like you telling me I can no longer run potd for the Night Pegasus, so now I HAVE to buy it from someone for whatever they're asking. That is in no way the same thing happening with housing, and should not be compared. Older content is potentially all-inclusive, housing in its current state is not.

Edit: this isn't me chiming in with a solution either. Housing is a gigantic mess right now and there are going to be angry people no matter what SE does. If they go instanced housing people with plots will be angry about dead neighborhoods. New wards? Not enough plots. Up the cost? SE is too casual friendly to alienate that many players imo, but we'd have people ticked off about costs. Lottery? Oh god I see people who only play 2 hours a day hating this.

Tldr SE screwed up, they need to fix it and people are going to be angry no matter what. But don't compare it to inclusive content, it makes no sense.

Once again.

There are servers where housing is readily available. People just choose to ignore that option and then complain about players doing them a favor by selling houses.

Getting the pegasus mount through potd can hardly be called inclusive considering how many players even have the mount to begin with. Housing on the other hand? Well, there's nearly 300,000 plots... and for those that are occupied, let's just say that everyone has a price.

[Almagnus1]

And what would that accomplish? I'm still waiting on your statistics to prove that a handful of players are preventing the entire NA datacenter from having access to housing.

I will not honor your request until you honor mine.

[MaybeOliverB]

I will not honor your request until you honor mine.

Hahahaha. You make it sound like you're holding on to some secret information. As if housing ownership/availability wasn't public

I was merely giving you the opportunity to save face, but alas... I see you cannot back up your own words.

Anyone with basic mathematics knowledge can figure out that a handful of players actively using a couple hundred houses out of 300,000 plots isn't nearly as bad as the thousands who either only enter them to reset the timer or let them auto-demolish after 45 days.

Pick any server and you will find more abandoned/unfurnished personal houses than there are houses owned by the same individual(s)/group(s).

[Imbrium]

Hahahaha. You make it sound like you're holding on to some secret information. As if housing ownership/availability wasn't public

I was merely giving you the opportunity to save face, but alas... I see you cannot back up your own words.

Anyone with basic mathematics knowledge can figure out that a handful of players actively using a couple hundred houses out of 300,000 plots isn't nearly as bad as the thousands who either only enter them to reset the timer or let them auto-demolish after 45 days.

Pick any server and you will find more abandoned/unfurnished personal houses than there are houses owned by the same individual(s)/group(s).

Sadly this is pretty true. I've invaded/admired a ton of houses in my time and several were empty. Went back months later- still empty. Some people buy them as a placeholder for an upgrade, which is part of the current terrible system. Others buy them and then just lose interest, but they'd rather keep it then fight the placard later if they decide they DO want to do anything with it. For others it's a status symbol, which shouldn't be part of the terrible system, but the shortage makes some of the people with them feel special.

A lot of these homes could be let go if the owners weren't living in fear of placard ex again. Or on busy worlds, no placard to even ex with.

[Almagnus1]

Hahahaha. You make it sound like you're holding on to some secret information. As if housing ownership/availability wasn't public

I was merely giving you the opportunity to save face, but alas... I see you cannot back up your own words.

I don't think you're thinking through the problems (to the land barons) that would come from having that data made public, especially if it correlated the alts and shell FCs to player accounts, as it would definitely quantify everything that goes against what you've been doing, and you know it. It really doesn't matter how you want to frame your narrative, as it's a trite charade that's easy enough to see through.

Anyone with basic mathematics knowledge can figure out that a handful of players actively using a couple hundred houses out of 300,000 plots isn't nearly as bad as the thousands who either only enter them to reset the timer or let them auto-demolish after 45 days.

Pick any server and you will find more abandoned/unfurnished personal houses than there are houses owned by the same individual(s)/group(s).

So while there's 300k plots world wide (293,760 to be exact), that means that for me in NA, there's only 103,680 available for the entire region, but as I'm on Aether, that means that the number is actually 34560 for the datacenter... which means that I'd have to go offworld to get to my house (I'm not sure that's even supported), so for Cactuar it's only 4320 houses (4 neighborhoods * 18 wards * 60 houses).

Going by https://ffxivcensus.com/ , there's almost 16M created characters, with about 750k considered "active" across the world by their definition of "active" - which is basically endgame characters (and ignores the leveling ones). For Cactuar that's 16k "active" players... vying for those 4k houses which also completely ignores the FCs. Oh, and Gilgamesh has about 17k active members on it, so your greed is actively making a bad situation worse on your home server, as you are denying about 20 other players a home going by your signature.

So while we have the apartments, the reason why I'm not counting those is that they do not have access to many of the features of the FC houses (like the workshop and gardening), so for the scope of what's driving this issue the apartments don't matter - despite adding a fairly significant number of domiciles for purchase.

[Imbrium]

And what would that accomplish? I'm still waiting on your statistics to prove that a handful of players are preventing the entire NA datacenter from having access to housing.



Once again.

There are servers where housing is readily available. People just choose to ignore that option and then complain about players doing them a favor by selling houses.

Getting the pegasus mount through potd can hardly be called inclusive considering how many players even have the mount to begin with. Housing on the other hand? Well, there's nearly 300,000 plots... and for those that are occupied, let's just say that everyone has a price.

Sorry, you aren't convincing me with the mount comparison. Once again, anyone can potentially farm it at ANY TIME. There is not an npc blocking you outside potd that says X ponies exist and have been taken, please wait for an account holder to delete their chara. There are people that don't care about mounts and don't run it; personally I'm more interested in getting the accessories and have gotten a few whistles doing it now. There are not a finite number of Pegasus Whistles, SE does not stop letting players earn them after X number has been found.

I'm on primal, and popping around the other worlds I'm not seeing free plots (Excal had 1 in the goblet with people camped). Mind you I was only checking Goblet, as it's usually where you see the empties if they're open, so I wouldn't base any hard facts on that. I, thankfully, have a house as does my fc. But if I did not, your answer would be... Move. To a lower pop server?

That's ridiculous. Why should people have to leave behind friends and raid groups for a plot of land? If NA was full go to a European or Japanese server? Then you're possibly trading a house for ping/ability to raid comfortably. That is a hard trade for decorating and fc amenities, if it is for a fc. As for everyone having a price, (In this case, for a finite resource such as housing) how does that factor in here with the rest of the arguments? It's also not a solution as the person who sold their home is now plotless and would have to fight the placard again.

Time sink does not usually equal impossible in this game. If there are 300,000 plots and 700,000 people for example, you might hit impossible because that math? Does not add up. As for inclusive vs non inclusive you can sit there and tell me 80% of the player base won't run _____, but it does not change the fact that it is open to them at any time. If a player is supposed to be rewarded for their time and investment in an mmo, but there is not enough housing to reward everyone who hits the appropriate milestone then there's an issue- which everyone here already acknowledges and is waiting to see SE's next move on.

[MaybeOliverB]

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We're moving off-topic.

My original post was detailing how players have to grind in order to acquire items in an MMO. Either with gil or with their own time. Do you agree or do you not?

You can talk about the negatives of moving to other servers all you want. It doesn't change the fact that there are hundreds of plots available, free of the hidden timer and at the minimum price. If someone is too poor to buy out other players on their server and refuse to go where housing is available and cheap. That's their own choice. Laziness isn't rewarded in an MMO.

It doesn't matter if the amount of houses is finite or not when houses are released back to the market everyday on top of having players trade them all the time. Not that these two factors really matter, that is until we actually reach ~100%. We're far from there and we'll get even further with the two new servers. If someone really wants a house, they should get to work (or move) instead of cursing the twelve and writing angry posts on this forum.

Sadly, a lot of players on here get sick at the idea that they just can't have it all when they don't want to put in any effort. It might just be a generation issue

Btw, the total number of houses doesn't have to equate to whatever amount of players you want to use. A single fc house can accommodate 512 players. Using your number, that's barely over a full Goblet (1,400 out 293,760 houses).

[Imbrium]

That's the rub though; I agree that work should be rewarded. Goals should also be realistic and attainable. I fully support SE using grinds in this game and content like Eureka where players afk'd through infuriated me.

But, see realistically attainable. You can tell me plots are on other servers. I HAVE to talk about the negatives if they're going to disrupt gameplay, so; which? What language? Am I trading the ability to play comfortably for it? Is mch/nin/etc going to be impossible to enjoy in this new area? Am I trading the ability to converse with half the server for it? This has now gone beyond realistically attainable and entered possibly game changing, before we add in losing friends and raid groups.

So, while in theory just transferring is the best solution, in reality it is not so clean cut. And hanging onto the fact that somewhere, scattered amongst smaller servers that possibly speak languages I'm not familiar with, are a few hundred homes when there are probably twice that number at minimum waiting on more housing... does not work for me.

You talk about buying homes from fc's, which leads to an fc of one and then suggest having huge ones to make sure... What? That there's a house for each fc if we consolidate them after allowing the individual spots? I'm not sure what this argument is for. Still, in theory it works well, I'll give you that; in practice I think we'd see scamming and people booted left and right like a few large fc's on Levi I won't name. It's part of the reason we see so many small ones.

Also pardon? How would houses being finite or not NOT effect this? There are worlds where they are not released back to the market everyday. If they were no longer finite people would not be this upset, because like most content in the game, it would be a goal that could be eventually reached just through grinding. As someone who apparently likes the idea of rewarding hard work and grinding, I'm surprised you are not more for this. (Although probably at higher prices and tbh, if Ishgard isn't instanced I really do hope the plots cost more.)

I couldn't say for 100% what people are most angry about. SE told us personal and fc housing would be separate; it was not. They opened more wards and promised first dibs to fc's- pre existing home buyers were able to move too. I would agree some people are angry because they just WANT it, and now, but I know there are plenty of people waiting with gil in hand for more housing.

Again, I agree that a grind is good, and we should work for things in game. But those goals need to be realistically attainable, and not at the cost of how you play your game. Server transferring is not going to be an option for everyone, and honestly should not be the only option besides paying someone else for a home. Nothing else in game is finite like this, and that frustrates people too. You want the Seiryu ex mount? Grind 99 totems. You want a house? Hoo boy good luck.